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2006-04-19

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zwilling carol
2006-04-18 23:51:51

Of si iar of..

Trista poveste,ma doare sufletul si sunt indignat,traim in mijlocul unei gloate barbare cu instinctul fiarelor salbatice.....
Interesele meschine primeaza....societatea umana se degradeaza si civilizatia se distruge incetul cu incetul.......
Orice argument altfel decat il presupun eu,il consider tot atat de superficial ca si hartia igienica........

folclorist
2006-04-19 02:34:53

Poate si asta satisface

La 2006-04-18 23:51:51, zwilling carol a scris:

>Trista poveste,ma doare sufletul si sunt indignat,traim in mijlocul
>unei gloate barbare cu instinctul fiarelor salbatice.....
>Interesele meschine primeaza....societatea umana se degradeaza si
>civilizatia se distruge incetul cu incetul.......
>Orice argument altfel decat il presupun eu,il consider tot atat de
>superficial ca si hartia igienica........
>
Ca tare mai aud des laude la bravurile arabilor. Si la Madrid a fost la fel.....

folclorist
2006-04-19 02:42:37

Poate ca acum vad si ei fatza Islamului

Ei omoara la intimplare !!!!!!!!
Niste femei care erau LA MUNCA !
Desigur ca romanii, in majoritate pro-arabi, le va justifica fapta.
La madrid au omorit iar romani care se duceau la munca, doar pt a schimba mersul alegerilor in Spania.
Allah este Mare si Mohammad este Prophetul Lui !

Adrian v.D.
2006-04-19 03:16:38

Duplicitatea Europei, lumii intregi.....

Nici nu am cuvinte sa reproduc mahnirea mea fata de ce s-a intamplat in Israel.Mereu mor oameni nevinovati.
"Fapta neomenoasa pe care o face un om altui om,omoara omul din mine."I.Kant -traducere libera...
Daca apelurile morale nu ajuta, atunci ce ajuta??
Oare mai pot conducatorii lumii vorbi de "legitimatia"unui guvern palestinian condus de Hamas, care nu recunoaste statul Israel, care aproba ceea ce o lume intreaga nu poate aproba?!
Oare va fi pace in Orientul Apropiat?
Eu ma rog pentru pace.

Adrian

calif la gilistic
2006-04-19 03:54:47

Guvernul Hamas, si alti tartori de pe acolo de pe la ei, trebuie invitati frumusel in Romania si intrebati "Ce-i asta?"

Dar politicos ar fi ca sa fie lasati sa raspunda cat de cat ceva, insa in ordine, si anume de la dreapta la stanga cum te uiti la ei prin catarea mitralierei.

jan dinu
2006-04-19 04:51:43

Cu mai multi ani in urma ..

O intilnire televizata pe PBS (american)intre personalitati
de frunte israelieni si palestinieni .
Despartiti printr-un zid (de carton ) pe scena
fiecare argumenta - dreptul lor prin
prisma intereselor vitale .
A fost pasionant sa-i vezi in direct cum
uni si alti NU gaseau iesirea din criza
existenta ....din 48 pina in prezent .
Aroganta unora cu intransigenta celorlalti
prin justificari istorice ale drepturilor
unice ..in defavoarea ori favoarea parti
adverse ...continua si astazi .
...doar moartea mai trezeste uneori
amorteala protagonistilor ..din pamintul
biblic revendicat ...de palestiniei si evrei ..
sub privirile noastre ...ajunse ...indiferente !
JD
JD

Doro
2006-04-19 06:48:11

Ce mult conteaza educatia

Odata un razboi inceput nu inseamna decat distrugerea civilizatiei si asfel multi tineri devin ne educati si singurul lucru care al invata este sa ucida. Atunci pe cine condamnam ,pe omul ne educat ori pe cei care nu lasa omul sa fie educat sub alt spirit adica spiritul itelegerii.Dupa parerea mea este ca acesti copii care parintii au decedat fie de moarte naturala fie au fost ucisi alta alternativa nu au decat sa devina sinucigasi. Al doilea lucru este ca in general aproape tozi din acea zona parca sunt dusi cu pluta si deacea pot fii usor manipulati. E regretabil ce se intampla dar cred ca nu poti oprii acest val al disperarii .S-ar putea sa fi murit si rusi s-au bulgari in acest atentat dar este dureros cand este vorba de moarte rapida venita din partea unora care nu stiu ce este civilizatie si asta din cauza ne educarii.

folclorist
2006-04-19 07:16:50

Va fi pace

La 2006-04-19 03:16:38, Adrian v.D. a scris:

>Nici nu am cuvinte sa reproduc mahnirea mea fata de ce s-a intamplat
>in Israel.Mereu mor oameni nevinovati.
>"Fapta neomenoasa pe care o face un om altui om,omoara omul din
>mine."I.Kant -traducere libera...
>Daca apelurile morale nu ajuta, atunci ce ajuta??
>Oare mai pot conducatorii lumii vorbi de "legitimatia"unui
>guvern palestinian condus de Hamas, care nu recunoaste statul Israel,
>care aproba ceea ce o lume intreaga nu poate aproba?!
>Oare va fi pace in Orientul Apropiat?
>Eu ma rog pentru pace.
>
>Adrian
>
Dupa un razboi . De ce este pace acum cu Egipt, Jordan, Syria cu botul pe labe... ?
A fost posibila dupa victoria israelului contra a 5 invadatori. Ca mereu se uita ca ISRAEL a fost atacat.

roy
2006-04-19 07:34:30

Re: Duplicitatea Europei, lumii intregi.....

Ca intotdeauna, scrii frumos.

Duplicitatea asta va omora Vestul. Cine are o atitudine indulgenta pentru teroristi (din motive economice sau de frica), sfarsitul este ca va fi lovit de ei in egala masura.

Cum spunea Churchill: "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile – hoping it will eat him last"
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La 2006-04-19 03:16:38, Adrian v.D. a scris:

>Nici nu am cuvinte sa reproduc mahnirea mea fata de ce s-a intamplat
>in Israel.Mereu mor oameni nevinovati.
>"Fapta neomenoasa pe care o face un om altui om,omoara omul din
>mine."I.Kant -traducere libera...
>Daca apelurile morale nu ajuta, atunci ce ajuta??
>Oare mai pot conducatorii lumii vorbi de "legitimatia"unui
>guvern palestinian condus de Hamas, care nu recunoaste statul Israel,
>care aproba ceea ce o lume intreaga nu poate aproba?!
>Oare va fi pace in Orientul Apropiat?
>Eu ma rog pentru pace.
>
>Adrian
>

akimote
2006-04-19 08:03:51

Re: Poate ca acum vad si ei fatza Islamului

M-am plins.... ce frumos ai zis.....


La 2006-04-19 02:42:37, folclorist a scris:

> Ei omoara la intimplare !!!!!!!!
>Niste femei care erau LA MUNCA !
>Desigur ca romanii, in majoritate pro-arabi, le va justifica
> fapta.
>La madrid au omorit iar romani care se duceau la munca,
>doar pt a schimba mersul alegerilor in Spania.
>Allah este Mare si Mohammad este Prophetul Lui !
>

lucid
2006-04-19 11:28:51

roy - situatia

Imi pare rau ca ai patit-o cu moderatorul ieri, caci inteleg frustrarea sa pierzi un comentariu in care ai investit ceva inteligenta si informatii. Mersi despre informatia cu Rafi si Pollard, remarcabil ca Eitan e atat de activ chiar la 80 de ani aproape, iar ideea cu pensionarii a fost de mare efect la vot, desi parea o gluma la inceput.
De remarcat gestul lui Olmert de a stopa - deocamdata? - reactia armatei contra guvernului Hamas. Daca tzii cont si de ce zice radioul IDF despre o recunoastere a Israelului dar in frontierele din 67 parca lucrurile se leaga.
Sigur din miezul conflictului vezi altfel lucrurile. Dar trebuie sa recunosti ca marilor puteri le revine obligatia sa rezolve macar partial conflictul caci, ne place sau nu, marile puteri - de la USA la URSS - au avut cuvantul decisiv in crearea statului Israel in 47-48. Ca sa nu se mai moara acolo, solutia o stie oricine: doua state ermetic separate, chiar ca in ghetto sau apartheid, oricum ai zice, si asigurat un nivel decent de viatza palestinienilor, inclusiv prin despagubiri - de acord TUTUROR refugiatilor din acele timpuri, atat arabi cat si sefarzi sau yemenitzi - in asa fel incat sa se tempereze macar la nivel suportabil ura.
Si inca ceva de gandit: practic nu a avut loc niciodata un atac kamikadze in Orasul Vechi si in zona Locurilor Sfinte ale celor trei religii. Ierusalimul vechi este cel mai sigur loc pentru toata lumea, chiar daca au mai fost parca acum cativa ani niste asasinate legate de case vechi care si-au schimbat proprietarul (mi-aduc aminte de un elev de la o scoala rabinica injunghiat intr-o noapte de un urmas al fostului proprietar arab al cladirii). Pericolul mare este in orasul modern la Ierusalim asa ca ma gandesc daca nu ar fi de folos o implicare a tuturor factorilor religiosi ai celor trei religii care sa extinda intr-un fel "armistitiul" din orasul vechi unde se pot amesteca fara vreo problema pe strazile inguste si in micile pravalii evrei, musulmani si crestini, macar la intreg Ierusalimul ca un prim pas spre linistirea lucrurilor. Om fi noi azi materialisti si rationalisti dar religiile joaca un rol in continuare important in multe locuri, mai ales la voi.

Shadow
2006-04-19 11:45:45

Re: Duplicitatea Europei, lumii intregi.....roy

>Ca intotdeauna, scrii frumos.
>
>Duplicitatea asta va omora Vestul. Cine are o atitudine indulgenta
>pentru teroristi (din motive economice sau de frica), sfarsitul este
>ca va fi lovit de ei in egala masura.
>
>Cum spunea Churchill: "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile
>– hoping it will eat him last"

Vezi ca ti-am scris nu ai primit?

Despre Churchill la fel "gandea" si la yalta cand "hranea" crocodilul cu "pielea ursului din padure" (pe care nu o detinea?). Ma mira ca in cazul ala nu ai "remarcat" duplicitatea.

CHIORU
2006-04-19 13:16:08

mi am cumparat O Cruce cu Iisus pe Cruce

mi am cumparat O Cruce cu Iisus pe cruce.
O port Prinsa de un lant de argint.
Cruceam imi Atarna - credeti sau nu - chiar in dreptul inimii.
dimineata si seara O Sarut.
toata ziua E pe pieptul meu.
Adevaratul meu Tata E cu mine secunda de secunda.
si Ma Pazeste.
si Ma Iubeste.

everest_555
2006-04-19 14:02:41

Re: mi am cumparat O Cruce cu Iisus pe Cruce

La 2006-04-19 13:16:08, CHIORU a scris:

>mi am cumparat O Cruce cu Iisus pe cruce.
>O port Prinsa de un lant de argint.
>Cruceam imi Atarna - credeti sau nu - chiar in dreptul inimii.
>dimineata si seara O Sarut.
>toata ziua E pe pieptul meu.
>Adevaratul meu Tata E cu mine secunda de secunda.
>si Ma Pazeste.
>si Ma Iubeste.
>Aiurea omule , DUMNEZEU nu sta in crucifixul tau si o poti saruta cit vrei ca este in zadar.
DUMNEZEU locuieste intr-o inima predta LUI, si este nevoie de pocainta reala si adevarata.
Crucea ta este o bucata de metal si atita.
Te inseli singur si acum nu vezi dar intr-o zi vei vedea.
>

roy
2006-04-19 14:15:53

Re: mi am cumparat O Cruce cu Iisus pe Cruce

Bravo!

Dar de bunicul Dumnezeu nu spui nimic. Ce s-a intamplat?

Si ce se intampla cu tatal tau care te-a conceput? El nu e adevarat?

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La 2006-04-19 13:16:08, CHIORU a scris:

>mi am cumparat O Cruce cu Iisus pe cruce.
>O port Prinsa de un lant de argint.
>Cruceam imi Atarna - credeti sau nu - chiar in dreptul inimii.
>dimineata si seara O Sarut.
>toata ziua E pe pieptul meu.
>Adevaratul meu Tata E cu mine secunda de secunda.
>si Ma Pazeste.
>si Ma Iubeste.
>
>

toni
2006-04-19 14:35:28

Re: Duplicitatea Europei, lumii intregi.....


Ai cam sarit peste editia de sambata unde era articolul despre Kosovo . Sau poate a fost un subiect incomod ?


http://www.ziua.ro/display.php?id=197899&data=2006-04-15








La 2006-04-19 03:16:38, Adrian v.D. a scris:

>Nici nu am cuvinte sa reproduc mahnirea mea fata de ce s-a intamplat
>in Israel.Mereu mor oameni nevinovati.
>"Fapta neomenoasa pe care o face un om altui om,omoara omul din
>mine."I.Kant -traducere libera...
>Daca apelurile morale nu ajuta, atunci ce ajuta??
>Oare mai pot conducatorii lumii vorbi de "legitimatia"unui
>guvern palestinian condus de Hamas, care nu recunoaste statul Israel,
>care aproba ceea ce o lume intreaga nu poate aproba?!
>Oare va fi pace in Orientul Apropiat?
>Eu ma rog pentru pace.
>
>Adrian
>

everest_555
2006-04-19 15:10:15

Re: mi am cumparat O Cruce cu Iisus pe Cruce.Roy omule!!!

La 2006-04-19 14:15:53, roy a scris:

>Bravo!
>
>Dar de bunicul Dumnezeu nu spui nimic. Ce s-a intamplat?
>
>Si ce se intampla cu tatal tau care te-a conceput? El nu e adevarat?
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>La 2006-04-19 13:16:08, CHIORU a scris:
>
>>mi am cumparat O Cruce cu Iisus pe cruce.
>>O port Prinsa de un lant de argint.
>>Cruceam imi Atarna - credeti sau nu - chiar in dreptul inimii.
>>dimineata si seara O Sarut.
>>toata ziua E pe pieptul meu.
>>Adevaratul meu Tata E cu mine secunda de secunda.
>>si Ma Pazeste.
>>si Ma Iubeste.
>>Nu este bunicul DUMNEZEU si ISUS , este unul si acelasi DUMNEZEU, TATAL FIUL SI DUHUL SFINT.
Ma indoiesc ca tu sa nu sti acest lucru, mai grava este ca tu iei in batjocura NUMELE LUI DUMNEZEU.
Iar daca faci asta eu nu mai am cuvinte si nici tu nu vei mai avea cind intr-o zi vei sta inaintea LUi, pina atunci insa esti tare si sanatos , si poate si destept si cred ca si batjocoritor.
Dar intr-o zi clipa se va dilata si se va numi vesnicie si tu vei trai atunci, dar depinde cum.
Nu maastept la mare lucru de la tine acum , asa ca iti spun doara taita.
Sarmane om....
>>
>
>

Robin
2006-04-19 15:19:30

Re: roy - situatia

La 2006-04-19 11:28:51, lucid a scris:

>Si inca ceva de gandit: practic nu a avut loc niciodata un atac
>kamikadze in Orasul Vechi si in zona Locurilor Sfinte ale celor trei
>religii. Ierusalimul vechi este cel mai sigur loc pentru toata lumea,
>chiar daca au mai fost parca acum cativa ani niste asasinate legate de
>case vechi care si-au schimbat proprietarul (mi-aduc aminte de un elev
>de la o scoala rabinica injunghiat intr-o noapte de un urmas al
>fostului proprietar arab al cladirii). Pericolul mare este in orasul
>modern la Ierusalim asa ca ma gandesc daca nu ar fi de folos o
>implicare a tuturor factorilor religiosi ai celor trei religii care
>sa extinda intr-un fel "armistitiul" din orasul vechi unde
>se pot amesteca fara vreo problema pe strazile inguste si in micile
>pravalii evrei, musulmani si crestini, macar la intreg Ierusalimul ca
>un prim pas spre linistirea lucrurilor. Om fi noi azi materialisti si
>rationalisti dar religiile joaca un rol in continuare important in
>multe locuri, mai ales la voi.
>




Si zi asa, nea, religiile, car' vasazica, pe religii te-ai bazat mataluta c-o sa scapi teafar in episodul din dec/2005 din "Nemaipomenitele calatorii si peripetii ale baronului Lucid von Munchaussen" in care cititorul afla despre incredibila si incintatoarea "baie de lume" facuta de neinfricatul nostru erou in cartierul vechi al Ierusalimului, cind se plimba agale prin multime, sub soarele mediteraneean, cascind gura pe la tarabele negustorilor, cu aparatul de fotografiat intr-o mina si o shaorma in cealalta, pipaindu-si intruna portofelul sa nu i-l fure naibii vreun pungas (asta i-ar mai fi lipsit!), ca, deh, nici fortele de ordine nu mai erau ce-au fost,

episod urmat de cel din apr/2006 in care eroul, odata iesit, cu inima cit un purice, din orasul vechi, de sub scutul de protectie star-trekkian al religiilor, isi minimizeaza riscurile evitind sa intre in malluri si luind numai autobuze practic goale...

Hai ca esti dulce!


P.S. Auzi, ma, lucidule, ce rahat de diurna va baga aia de va cheama pe la conferintele alea (sau ce-or fi ele), de nu-ti poti permite si tu sa iei un taxi, nici chiar in ziua ta libera, si trebuie sa astepti (ore in sir, banuiesc), doar-doar o veni vreun autobuz mai gol? Nu mai vorbesc de lucruri sfinte, cum ar fi un rental car (astea-s numai de nasul imputitilor de americani), da' nici macar un taxi, acolo, ma?


P.P.S. Pentru cititorii care au lipsit ieri si doresc sa aprofundeze subiectul de fata:
http://www.ziua.ro/f.php?zyear=2006&thread=198072&id=57302
http://www.ziua.ro/f.php?zyear=2006&thread=198072&id=57436

Mos Grigore
2006-04-19 15:51:15

An Ex-Muslim's Warning



By An ex-Muslim

28 February, 2006

To the Infidel world:

I was born and raised as Muslim. My whole family is still Muslim. I know every genetic code of Muslim. I know Islamic brain. I live and breathe with them. I am an insider. I left Islam when I understood that Islam is a sick and evil religion. Following are the Islamic message to the West.

To the infidels of the West:

Constitution for the new Islamic Republic of EU and USA is under construction.

We will fight the infidel to death.

Meanwhile American laws will protect us.
Democrats and Leftist will support us.
UNO will legitimize us.
CAIR will incubate us.
ACLU will empower us.
Western Universities will educate us.
Mosques will shelter us
OPEC will finance us
Hollywood will love us.
Koffi Annan will pass politically correct sympathetic statement for Jihadists.

Our children will immigrate from Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Indonesia and even from India to the US and to the other Western countries. They will go to the West for education in full scholarship. America is paying and will continue to pay for our children’s educations and their upbringing in state funded Islamic schools.

We will use your welfare system. Our children will also send money home while they are preparing for Jihad.

We will take the advantage of American kindness, gullibility, and compassion. When time comes, we will stab them in the back. We will say one thing on the camera and teach another thing to our children at home. We will give subliminal messages to our children to uphold Islam at any cost. Our children in America will always care more about Islamic Country’s interest than US interest.

We will teach our children Islamic supremacy from the very childhood. We will teach them not to compromise with Infidel. Once we do that from the very early age our children won’t hesitate to be martyr. We will take over the Europe first and then US will be the next. We already have a solid ground in the UK, Holland, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Germany, and now in the US.

Our children will marry Caucasian in Europe and in America. We will mixed with intricate fabric of the Western society but still will remember to Jihad when time comes. Who are we?
We are the "sleeper cells".
We will raise our children to be loyal to Islam and Mohammad only. Everything else is secondary.

At the time of the real fight we will hold our own children as our armor. When American or Israeli troops shoot at us the world will be watching. Imagine,… Imagine the news in the world "Death of Muslim babies by infidels".

We know CNN, ABC, CBS are broadcasting live. Al-Jazeera will pour gasoline on the fire. The news will spread like wildfire. "Americans killed 6 babies, 10 babies". "Jews killed two women",

Keep your Nukes in your curio cabinets. Keep your aircraft carrier or high-tech weaponry in the showcase. You can't use them against us because of your own higher moral standard. We will take the advantage of your higher moral standard and use it against you. We won’t hesitate to use our children as suicide bomber against you.

Visualize the news flash all over the world, …Moslem mother is sobbing, ….crying. ….Her babies are killed by Jews and Americans, the whole world is watching live. Hundreds of millions of Muslims all around the world are boiling. They will march through Europe. We will use our women to produce more babies who will in turn be used as armor/shield. Our babies are the gift from Allah for Jihad.

West manufactures their tanks in the factory. We will manufacture our military force by natural means, by producing more babies. That is the way it is cheaper.

You infidels at this site cannot defeat us. We are 1.2 billion. We will double again. Do you have enough bullets to kill us?

On the camera:
We will always say, "Islam is the religion of Peace."
We will say, "Jihad is actually inner Jihad."
Moderate Muslim will say there is no link between Islam and Terrorism and the West will believe it because the West is so gullible.
Moderate Muslim all over the world will incubate Jihadists by their talk by defending Islam.
Using Western Legal system we will assert our Sharia Laws, slowly but surely.
We will increase in number. We will double again.

You will be impressed when you meet a moderate Muslim personally. As your next-door neighbor, coworker, student, teacher, engineer, professionals you may even like us. You will find us well mannered, polite, humble that will make you say, "wow, Muslims are good and peaceful people", But, we will stab you in your back when you are sleeping as we did on 911.
There will be more 911 in Europe and in America. We will say, "We do not support terrorism but America got what it deserved."

Muslims, CAIR, ISNA, MPAC and other international Islamic Organization will unite. We will partner with Leftist, ACLU, with Koffi Annan, and the UN, and if we have to then even with France. Fasten your seatbelt. The war of civilizations has just begun.

We will recite Quran and say Allah-Hu-Akbar before beheading infidels, as we have been doing it. We will video tape those and send it to all infidels to watch. They will surrender - ISLAM means surrender.

We will use your own values of kindness against you.

You are destined to loose.

Must be very depressing for you. Isn’t it?

Allah-Hu-Akbar as we say just before beheading.

21st Century Islamic Warfare
Let's see the effectiveness of Islamic warfare.
Muslims Vs. the West.

THE RULE HAS CHANGED. There is new game in town.

Bill Clinton ordered 50 Tomahawks Cruise missiles costing $100,000,000 each to destroy $50 mud houses that belonged to Osama's family. What a stupidity? What a poor ROI (Return On Investment)

In return Osama's attack on the US.
Cost: 19 martyrs and less than $500,000.
Cost to the West: over 3,000 dead.
At least $1,000,000,000,000 (one trillion) dollars economical loss in one year. This includes the ripple effect.

Osama's ROI with respect to: life = 3,000/19 = 158 fold.
Dollar = $1 tr./500K = 2,000,000 fold

That is modern warfare. The West will loose.

Allah-Hu-Akbar.
Islam will rule the world. There is nothing you can do. Even if the per capita GDP of the world drops to half of its present level as a consequence of Islamic laws in place all over the world but still Islam will rule the word.

From your point of view we bring to the world to the dark ages, so be it. But still Islam wins, West looses.
Are you sure you want to play this game?

Jihad, ..Jihad...Jeeehaaad...

You are destined to loose.

Allah-hu-Akbar

SOTT
[Sight of the Truth]

Saudi Arabia's $100 billion investment over the last 3 decades on over 60 thousands Madrassas and school all over the Islamic world is finally paying off. While the West was busy inventing medicine, increasing life expectancy, elevating human suffering, decoding human gene to find cure for Cancer, heart disease etc, launching space shuttle, inventing internet, working on new laws/theory for human rights, developing better economical models for a more prosperous world, while ACLU was gaining control over common sense, while American ingenuity was benefiting the rest of the world, we Muslims were busy producing over 200 million out of 1.4 billion, Walking, Talking, Non-Thinking, West-Hating, Pre-Programmed, Suicidal, Parasitic, Terrorist Robots. You can't win. The Genie is out of the bottle.

We will use American’s kindness, fairness, compassion, freedom of speech and non-discriminatory policy against them. We will stab them in the back.

What are you going to do? You are doomed.

SOTT
[Sight of the Truth]

Tim--ex-Muslim

Katty
2006-04-19 16:20:49

Re: An Ex-Muslim's Warning



Aha, mos Grigore ti-e frica ca-ti micsoreaza arabii ajutorul social +

Mos Grigore
2006-04-19 16:28:01

Protejatii Casandrei la LUCRU..............................

Teachers beheaded in Baghdad in front of students


1 hour, 6 minutes ago

Separate groups of gunmen entered two primary schools in Baghdad on Wednesday and beheaded two teachers in front of their students, the Ministry of State for National Security said.

"Two terrorist groups beheaded two teachers in front of their students in the Amna and Shaheed Hamdi primary schools in Shaab district in Baghdad," a ministry statement said.

A ministry official said he believed the attacks were aimed at: "intimidating pupils and disrupting learning."

roy
2006-04-19 16:37:07

Re: everest

Mersi de atentzie, dar te cam grabesti cu concluziile. Nu prea vad cu ce imi bat joc de Dumnezeu, am vorbit cu un pamantean si nu cu El personal. De asemeni nu l-am vorbit de rau.

Insa cred ca faptul ca te pripesti cu concluziile nu-i place LUI. Cum se spune "Graba strica treaba" si in alta limba, pe care tu probabil nu o cunosti chiar se spune "Graba vine de la Satan".
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La 2006-04-19 15:10:15, everest_555 a scris:

>La 2006-04-19 14:15:53, roy a scris:
>
>>Bravo!
>>
>>Dar de bunicul Dumnezeu nu spui nimic. Ce s-a intamplat?
>>
>>Si ce se intampla cu tatal tau care te-a conceput? El nu e adevarat?
>>
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>>La 2006-04-19 13:16:08, CHIORU a scris:
>>
>>>mi am cumparat O Cruce cu Iisus pe cruce.
>>>O port Prinsa de un lant de argint.
>>>Cruceam imi Atarna - credeti sau nu - chiar in dreptul inimii.
>>>dimineata si seara O Sarut.
>>>toata ziua E pe pieptul meu.
>>>Adevaratul meu Tata E cu mine secunda de secunda.
>>>si Ma Pazeste.
>>>si Ma Iubeste.
>>>Nu este bunicul DUMNEZEU si ISUS , este unul si acelasi DUMNEZEU, TATAL FIUL SI DUHUL SFINT.
>Ma indoiesc ca tu sa nu sti acest lucru, mai grava este ca tu iei in
>batjocura NUMELE LUI DUMNEZEU.
>Iar daca faci asta eu nu mai am cuvinte si nici tu nu vei mai avea
>cind intr-o zi vei sta inaintea LUi, pina atunci insa esti tare si
>sanatos , si poate si destept si cred ca si batjocoritor.
>Dar intr-o zi clipa se va dilata si se va numi vesnicie si tu vei
>trai atunci, dar depinde cum.
>Nu maastept la mare lucru de la tine acum , asa ca iti spun doara
>taita.
>Sarmane om....
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

roy
2006-04-19 17:02:48

Re: Duplicitatea Europei, lumii intregi.....roy

Tzi-am raspuns, uita-te le email. Asta este a doua oara cand repet mesajul, nu stiu ce problema a avut moderatorul cu el.

Cat despre Churchill, m-am folosit numai de un citat de-al lui, fara nici o intentzie de a largi discutzia de la ce se intampla azi, la ce s-a intamplat acum 60 de ani.
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La 2006-04-19 11:45:45, Shadow a scris:

>>Ca intotdeauna, scrii frumos.
>>
>>Duplicitatea asta va omora Vestul. Cine are o atitudine indulgenta
>>pentru teroristi (din motive economice sau de frica), sfarsitul este
>>ca va fi lovit de ei in egala masura.
>>
>>Cum spunea Churchill: "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile
>>– hoping it will eat him last"
>
>Vezi ca ti-am scris nu ai primit?
>
>Despre Churchill la fel "gandea" si la yalta cand
>"hranea" crocodilul cu "pielea ursului din
>padure" (pe care nu o detinea?). Ma mira ca in cazul ala nu ai
>"remarcat" duplicitatea.
>

Alex2003
2006-04-19 17:38:45

Indeed it's a warning....


Se pare ca explodatorii publici, acum au tinte bine determinate, nu stiu de ce, poate pentru a face un "statement" in lumea comunicatiilor, sau pentru a face un "warning", sau poate doar mie mi se pare asa, si este o coincidenta.
Intrucit eu ne prea cred in coincidente, cred ca cineva spune urmatoarele:

"Tovarasa" Boda a fost victima exploziei, ca si un protest simbolic pentru torturarea si distrugerea fizica a memoriei copiilor detectati de CIA in Romania ca si foarte telentati, si deci, possibilitatea ca ar putea deveni membri foarte apreciabili al sistemului militaro-comunist.... Asta bineinteles in anii 60. Ca daca li s-a dat virusuri encefalice, asta nu stiu, dar daca da, eu le-as numi "curgatoare de nas" sau poate gripa de "vioara" sau avo- vioara sau aviara, etc. etc. etc. Si notele la scoala de ale lor pe atuncii ? Au cazut ca si stack marketul in anii 2000-2001, si mai tirziu au devenit tinta de ridiculizare de catre CIA-ul si spionajului Israelian. Mai tirziu, si multi dintre ei au fost pusi la tratament, ca de exemplu Roth Andris, care a ajuns si el in case de nebuni in America.


Aveti o zi frumoasa,

Traiasca gripa encefalica de distrugere al memoriei.

Ratacitul
2006-04-19 17:43:46

Care Bagdad, bai scovearga? Locul ala unde ati adus democratia? Nu spunea Tractor ca-i bine acolo?

Tot de soparle puturoase te tii?

La 2006-04-19 16:28:01, Mos Grigore a scris:

> Teachers beheaded in Baghdad in front of students
>
>
> 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
>
> Separate groups of gunmen entered two primary schools in Baghdad on
> Wednesday and beheaded two teachers in front of their students, the
> Ministry of State for National Security said.
>
> "Two terrorist groups beheaded two teachers in front of their
> students in the Amna and Shaheed Hamdi primary schools in Shaab
> district in Baghdad," a ministry statement said.
>
> A ministry official said he believed the attacks were aimed at:
> "intimidating pupils and disrupting learning."
>
>
>

Alex2003
2006-04-19 17:52:44

Re: Protejatii Casandrei la LUCRU..............................

Cine stie, poate faceau mult mai mult decit a preda materialul..... Cunoaste cineve pe profesorul Drimba de la Gojdu Oradea, prin anii 1964.... Umbla si el pe coridoarele intre banci, ca "predarea" sa aiba un efect mai pronuntat....
Unde ati fost pe atunci, mai vitejilor .....

Shadow
2006-04-19 18:18:57

Re: Duplicitatea Europei, lumii intregi.....roy

>Tzi-am raspuns, uita-te le email. Asta este a doua oara cand repet
>mesajul, nu stiu ce problema a avut moderatorul cu el.
>
>Cat despre Churchill, m-am folosit numai de un citat de-al lui, fara
>nici o intentzie de a largi discutzia de la ce se intampla azi, la ce
>s-a intamplat acum 60 de ani.

Ce vrei io nu-l "iubesc" din cale afara pe churchill. Ti-am si raspuns pe mail.

Arogantu'
2006-04-19 18:55:25

Re: Poate ca acum vad si ei fatza Islamului/ akimote - BRAVA !

Era cazul sa fii mai retinut, sa nu dai friu liber "emotiei"...


La 2006-04-19 08:03:51, akimote a scris:

> M-am plins.... ce frumos ai zis.....
>
>
> La 2006-04-19 02:42:37, folclorist a scris:
>
> > Ei omoara la intimplare !!!!!!!!
> > Niste femei care erau LA MUNCA !
> > Desigur ca romanii, in majoritate pro-arabi, le va justifica
> > fapta.
> > La madrid au omorit iar romani care se duceau la munca,
> > doar pt a schimba mersul alegerilor in Spania.
> > Allah este Mare si Mohammad este Prophetul Lui !
> >
>
>

Arogantu'
2006-04-19 19:03:32

Re: Noroc de Ratacitul - el vine cu soparle parfumate... Pfui ! NDC

La 2006-04-19 17:43:46, Ratacitul a scris:

> Tot de soparle puturoase te tii?
>
> La 2006-04-19 16:28:01, Mos Grigore a scris:
>
> > Teachers beheaded in Baghdad in front of students
> >
> >
> > 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
> >
> > Separate groups of gunmen entered two primary schools in Baghdad on
> > Wednesday and beheaded two teachers in front of their students, the
> > Ministry of State for National Security said.
> >
> > "Two terrorist groups beheaded two teachers in front of their
> > students in the Amna and Shaheed Hamdi primary schools in Shaab
> > district in Baghdad," a ministry statement said.
> >
> > A ministry official said he believed the attacks were aimed at:
> > "intimidating pupils and disrupting learning."
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Mos Grigore
2006-04-19 19:24:10

Quran reported to the Police in Germany


By Kent Olsen

correspondent to Jyllands-Posten

18 April, 2006



A broad alliance of grass-roots movements have gone to the prosecutors of several states to hinder the dissemination of the Quran. According to the indictment, the Quran is not just a religious and historic book, but also a political book, which is incompatible with the constitution.

Berlin
At the prosecutor’s office at Gorch-Forck-Wall 15 in Hamburg, an unusual letter was received Monday morning, containing an indictment filed this weekend. The indictment targeted the Quran, charging that the holy book of the Moslems, according to the accuser, is incompatible with the German constitution.
"Support Denmark!"

The accuser is "Bundesverband der Brgerbewegungen (BVB)", which concerns itself with, in its own words, "defending basic rights and freedoms" against Islam. The extensive international furore, allegedly caused by the Muhammed cartoons, has made clear the relevancy of the alliance. Its homepage is decorated with a Danish flag with the words "Support Denmark! Defend the Free World." superimposed on it.

The indictment has been filed in several states, including Hamburg, Niedersachsen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Bayern and probably more.

In several talk-shows on German TV, conservative politicians have pointed out that the Quran is incompatible with the German constitution. The Turkish-born writer Serap Cileli said on January 29 this year that "the Quran must be considered a historic document. It is not compatible with our constitution and Human Rights."

Now the alliance wants the matter tried at the courts.

Potent Political Book
The author of the indictment in Hamburg, Jutta Starke, says that the Quran was reported to the police two or three years ago, but that the report was dismissed on the grounds that it was a book of only historical interest.

"The events of the last months have made clear that the Quran isn’t just a historical book, but very much a potent political book, a thing which we document extensively in the indictment," Jutta Starke says.

She says it is a task of sisyphean dimensions to inform the media, politicians and churches of the true intentions of Islam in the enlightened world of the West.

"We are grateful to Jyllands-Posten that discussions about Islam have now become possible," says Jutta Starke.
"You suffer for all of Europe and that’s why we find it indecent that Europe hasn’t loudly, in unison, taken a stand for Freedom of Speech against the laws of the Quran."

The indictment consists of five pieces of paper and a number of appendices. The indictment says that it is not against Islam’s spiritual message, but against the judicial and political message. The decisive count of the indictment "is in the Quran’s status vis-a-vis the Federal Republic of Germany’s constitution". In the appendices to the indictment, 200 points have been listed "where the Quran is against and claims itself above the constitution."

The Quran has an Answer to Everything
It is pointed out that the Quran to Moslems is the end all, be all in matters of faith, in matters of society and state and in the discourse with people of different views. The Quran says that it is the words of Allah. According to the views of several, including leading, Moslems in Germany, it is literally and absolutely true at all time and in all places, the indictment says.

The newly elected German-born chairman of the Moslem Central Council of German, Ayyub Axel Khler, is quoted in the indictment:
"A constitution after the principle of the division of powers into the legislative, the executive and the judicial powers, is nowhere to be found in the Islamic theory of the State. From an Islamic viewpoint, this is obvious, since the laws - the laws of God - in the form of sharia, are already made and thus no legislative power is needed, in that sense of the word. Only Allah is the legislative power."

Muslim Chancellor
A prominent Moslem, Ibrahim El-Zayat, is quoted as saying that he thinks it is possible that "the Federal Chancellor in 2020 is a Moslem, born and raised in Germany, that the Federal Supreme Court has a Moslem judge, and that a Moslem representative will be on the Federal Radio/TV Council to secure the Moslem citizens’ constitutionally guaranteed rights."

"This land is our land and it is our duty to make positive changes. With the help of Allah, we will make it a paradise on Earth, by making available the Islamic ummah (ED: Islamic community) and all of mankind. Allah doesn’t change the situation of a people till the people have changed the situation," El-Zayad is quoted as saying.

Violence against the Infidels
The indictment is against the 200 verses of 114 suras (ED: chapters) of the Quran that are not compatible with the constitution, including demagoguery, incitement to murder, murder and mutilation, war, acceptance of thievery against infidels, meaning all non-Moslems. Verses are also pointed out where the equal rights of men and women are not upheld and where people of different faiths are oppressed.

Example: "The unbelievers among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians): They are the vilest of all creatures." (Sura 98:6)

According to the indictment that paragraph violates Article 4 of the Constitution and Paragraph 166 of the Penal Code.
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Mos Grigore
2006-04-19 19:50:20

Unul de-al TAU Katty; poate il si cunosti.......................

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1103AP_Terror_Recruiting_White_Muslims_LH1.html

Monday, April 17, 2006 · Last updated 12:05 p.m. PT

Terrorists recruiting 'white Muslims'

By WILLIAM J. KOLE
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herzegovina -- His code name was Maximus, and he held secret meetings in a shabby room at the Banana City Hotel on the outskirts of Sarajevo.

Bosnian police put him under surveillance, and in a raid last fall on his apartment on Poligonska Street, authorities seized explosives, a suicide bomber belt and a videotape of masked men begging Allah's forgiveness for what they were about to do.

What they planned, investigators believe, was to blow up a European embassy. But compounding their concern, they say, was the ringleader's background: Maximus turned out to be Mirsad Bektasevic, a 19-year-old Swedish citizen of Serbian origin with ties to a senior al-Qaida operative.

Terrorists have been working to recruit non-Arab sympathizers - so-called "white Muslims" with Western features who theoretically could more easily blend into European cities and execute attacks - according to classified intelligence documents obtained by The Associated Press.

A 252-page confidential report jointly compiled by Croatian and U.S. intelligence on potentially dangerous Islamic groups in Bosnia suggests the recruitment drive may have begun as long as four years ago, when Arab militants ran up against tough post-9/11 security obstacles.

"They judge that it is high time that their job on this territory should be taken over by new local forces ... people who are born here and live here have an advantage which would make their job easier. By their appearance, they are less obvious," the report reads.

Arabs, it adds, "have become too obvious, which has made their job difficult."

Bosnia's minister of security, Barisa Colak, acknowledged the existence of the intelligence report but said authorities had no concrete evidence that recruitment efforts are widespread. There are no known cases of a Balkan "white Muslim" recruit being involved in an actual attack.

"Even so, we have to be extremely careful and serious and not miss anything," he told the AP.

Even if systematic recruitment has been occurring, citizens of ex-Yugoslavia need visas to travel to Western Europe or the United States - a complicated and time-consuming process.

Dragan Lukac, the deputy director of SIPA - Bosnia's equivalent of the FBI - said authorities are taking no chances. Undercover counterterrorism agents have placed dozens of suspects under 24-hour surveillance and the country is "very intensively" sharing information with the FBI, the CIA, Scotland Yard and other agencies, he said.

"Bosnia has become a breeding ground for terrorists, including some on international wanted lists. We can clearly say that," Lukac told the AP in an interview.

Some disaffected young Bosnians may be receptive to the terrorist message: After the U.S.-led military campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq, it was considered "almost fashionable" to spout extremist sentiment in public, Lukac said, especially among those "frustrated and influenced by ideology, Islamized through various extremist streams."

Authorities who arrested Bektasevic and several alleged associates last October tipped off police in Britain, who quickly arrested three suspected British Muslim accomplices. They also alerted authorities in Denmark, who took seven others into custody. Investigators say they since have established that Bektasevic maintained close ties to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq.

Since the 2001 attacks on the United States, Bosnia has deported dozens of Arabs and other foreign Muslims for suspected ties to terrorist groups or alleged involvement in dummy charities believed to have raised cash to bankroll attacks.

In February, the country launched an exhaustive review of all cases in which citizenship was granted to foreigners dating back to 1992 and vowed to deport any with suspected links to terrorism.

Police also confirmed they are keeping close tabs on dozens of mujahedeen - Islamic fighters who came to Bosnia to fight on the Muslim side in the 1992-95 war. Although most left for other conflicts in Afghanistan, Chechnya, Iraq and elsewhere, some stayed and married local women.

The vast majority of Bosnia's Muslims rejects the mujahedeen's fiery brand of Islam. Yet young, restless men frustrated with 40 percent joblessness and angered by real or perceived insults to Islam can be open to hard-line dogma, the Prague-based think tank Transitions Online said in a recent report.

"A pool of potential white recruits carrying Bosnian or even Western passports would presumably be of great value to terrorists," it said, calling the Balkan country "a deeply traumatized society susceptible to extremism."

"Muslims are going through a very tempting time," conceded Mustafa Ceric, the leader of Bosnia's Islamic community. He insisted, however, that there was no stomach for extremist violence after years of devastating ethnic conflict.

"If we wanted terrorism, we had a chance to do so in the heat of our suffering, and we did not," he said in an interview.

NATO's top commander in Bosnia, U.S. Brig. Gen. Louis Weber, concurred in an interview, saying Bosnian Muslims overwhelmingly are moderate and secular, and the terror threat is fairly low because "there isn't a large community that would support that kind of activity here."

Although Ceric keeps close tabs on Bosnia's imams, the 6,500 European Union peacekeepers who now patrol Bosnia are one-tenth the number NATO deployed nationwide in 1995, meaning far fewer outside eyes and ears combing the country to disrupt any recruitment effort.

The U.S.-Croatian report says infiltration actually dates back long before the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. It says Islamic militants with ties to al-Qaida and other terrorist organizations have been crisscrossing the Balkans for more than 15 years, financed in part with cash from narcotics smuggling and coming from Afghanistan and points further east via Turkey, Kosovo and Albania.

Since the Sept. 11 attacks, evidence has emerged that extremists have been trying to carve out a beachhead in the Balkans. The region is home to 8 million Muslims, roughly a third of Europe's Islamic faithful, and arms and explosives are easily obtained in what Lukac calls "a kind of El Dorado" for criminals.

Several Islamic militants who fought in the former Yugoslavia went to Spain, bringing back new military skills and expertise as well as access to contacts throughout Europe, a Western diplomatic official with intimate knowledge of counterterrorism measures in Spain told the AP on condition of anonymity.

"Yugoslavia was a meeting point," he said.

Among the Islamic leaders Bosnian authorities are monitoring closely is Nezim Halilovic, chief mufti of the King Fahd Cultural Center. The mosque, one of dozens being built around Sarajevo with Saudi donations, can accommodate 5,000 people and is part of a $9 million complex that includes a library, a sports hall, restaurants and classrooms for studying Arabic and the Quran.

Its imam has repeatedly has been accused of using his sermons to preach violence in Afghanistan, Chechnya, Israel, Iraq and Kashmir. Nothing like that was heard at one of his recent noon prayer sermons; addressing throngs of heavily bearded men and burqa-clad women, he spoke proudly of "bringing Bosnian Muslims back to Islam."

Halilovic denies he is a radical and insisted Bektasevic and the others arrested last autumn were the victims of an elaborate setup.

"This is just a trick played on the Muslims," he said in an interview. "They were framed to bring the world's attention on Bosnia-Herzegovina as a 'terrorist country.' Europe and the whole world should not be afraid of Bosnian Muslims."

Mos Grigore
2006-04-19 19:54:19

Iar sta EU BINE...........................

When Is Jihad Not Jihad?
By Andrew G. Bostom
FrontPageMagazine.com | April 17, 2006


There is an old, dry pun on the query "When is a door not a door?"—the answer being, "When it is ajar." But dry humor is clearly preferable to deluded and dangerous censorship of the lexicon which leads to this question, and requisite answer, "When is jihad not jihad?"—"When it is spiritual struggle."

Witness the latest European Union (EU) pronouncement which advocates an exclusive definition of jihad as "spiritual struggle" in the public discourse lest the tender sensibilities of Muslims be offended. According to the wise and courageous EU leadership, non-Muslim Dorothys and Scarecrows and Tin Men and most appropriately, Cowardly Lions, should simply ignore the jihadists fulminating behind their civilizational veil, endlessly invoking an authentic and uniquely Islamic institution—jihad war—which has shaped human history for over 13 centuries, through the present. And they will be rewarded for this polite obliviousness to such ceaseless calls for (and resultant acts aimed at) their destruction, by the massive efforts of otherwise marginalized moderate Muslims struggling—indeed "jihading"—so desperately, so "spiritually" (the evidence of their struggle is all around us—haven’t you noticed?) to expel the hijackers of Islam.



The EU apparatchiks are thus insisting that only a marginal Sufi notion of the so-called "greater" spiritual jihad be accepted in defining jihad. Unfortunately this much ballyhooed, but anesthetizing definition has a very flimsy theological foundation. Even the Islamophilic scholar Reuven Firestone (pp. 139-40, n. 19) has acknowledged the dubious nature of the oral tradition (i.e., hadith) upon which this potential interpretation of jihad rests: "Its source is not usually given, and it is in fact nowhere to be found in the canonical collections [of hadith]."



Of course, devout Muslims and influential 20th-century scholars of Islam like the Shi’ite leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini (d. 1989) or the brilliant Sunni ideologue Sayyid Qutb (d. 1966) always recognized the marginal Islamic foundations of this putative Sufi construction in their seminal writings and lectures and dismissed it outright. These orthodox modern Muslim authorities base their own traditional and bellicose understanding of jihad not on a disputed hadith as espoused by some Sufis, but a readily identifiable, canonical hadith, wherein jihad by force assumes highest priority, not lowest. Specifically, this tradition from Sahih Muslim-Book 001, Number 0079:



I heard the Messenger of Allah as saying: He who amongst you sees something abominable should modify it with the help of his hand (i.e., by force); and if he has not strength enough to do it, then he should do it with his tongue (i.e., by preaching or propaganda), and if he has not strength enough to do it, (even) then he should (abhor it) from his heart (i.e., soul), and that is the least of faith.



Indeed, Al-Ghazali (d. 1111), the famous theologian, philosopher, and paragon of mystical Sufism, who as noted by the eminent scholar W.M. Watt is, "…acclaimed in both the East and West as the greatest Muslim after Muhammad, and he is by no means unworthy of that dignity", wrote the following in the Wadjiz, (dated 1101, i.e., in the last decade of his life) about jihad war and the treatment of the vanquished non-Muslim dhimmi peoples:



[O]ne must go on jihad (i.e., warlike razzias or raids) at least once a year…one may use a catapult against them [non-Muslims] when they are in a fortress, even if among them are women and children. One may set fire to them and/or drown them…If a person of the Ahl al-Kitab [People of The Book – primarily Jews and Christians] is enslaved, his marriage is [automatically] revoked…One may cut down their trees…One must destroy their useless books. Jihadists may take as booty whatever they decide…they may steal as much food as they need…



[T]he dhimmi is obliged not to mention Allah or His Apostle…Jews, Christians, and Majians must pay the jizya [poll tax on non-Muslims]…on offering up the jizya, the dhimmi must hang his head while the official takes hold of his beard and hits [the dhimmi] on the protruberant bone beneath his ear [i.e., the mandible]… They are not permitted to ostentatiously display their wine or church bells…their houses may not be higher than the Muslim’s, no matter how low that is. The dhimmi may not ride an elegant horse or mule; he may ride a donkey only if the saddle [-work] is of wood. He may not walk on the good part of the road. They [the dhimmis] have to wear [an identifying] patch [on their clothing], even women, and even in the [public] baths…[dhimmis] must hold their tongue….



Thus, the latest EU strategy of dhimmitude—denial and obfuscation through pious-sounding, yet Orwellian manipulation of language and history—reflects a more profound capitulation illustrated by the recent analysis of Dutch policy researcher Jan Schoonenboom. Mr. Schooneboom now openly advocates Shari’a and chastises Dutch politicians who speak out against this brutally repressive theocratic code as being "spastic about the Sharia."



A perverse, depressingly real-life scene from the "Wizard of Oz" fantasy is now unfolding in Western Europe. EU bureaucrats—playing the well-known aquiline-nosed, broomstick-riding character from movie version—have cast a spell ("Sleep…Sleep") on their non-Muslim constituent Dorothys, Scarecrows, Tin Men and Cowardly Lions, hoping to keep them slumbering in fields of poisonous poppies. Regardless of whether they awaken, it may already be too late.

roy
2006-04-19 19:56:36

Re: An Ex-Muslim's Warning

Asta-i tot ce potzi sa zici? Nu ma mira...
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La 2006-04-19 16:20:49, Katty a scris:

>
>
>Aha, mos Grigore ti-e frica ca-ti micsoreaza arabii ajutorul social +
>

Mos Grigore
2006-04-19 20:07:39

Tot dela Katty din ograda...................................

Swedish Jews:

Swedish Chancellor of Justice: Muslim calls for "Death to Jews" are just part of the debate on the Middle East



Earlier this year Swedish Chancellor of Justice Mr Gran Lambertz decided to discontinue his department’s pre-trial investigation into the Grand Mosque of Stockholm, where audio cassettes with highly inflammatory anti-Semitic content were being sold. After Swedish radio programme Dagens Eko unveiled the contents of the cassettes in November 2005, a charge of racial incitement was filed with the police against the Stockholm mosque.



The Swedish Chancellor of Justice responded by closing the pre-trial investigation on the grounds that "the lecture did admittedly feature statements that are highly degrading to Jews (among other things, they are consistently referred to as the brothers of apes and pigs)" but pointing out that such statements "should be judged differently – and therefore be regarded as permissible – because they were used by one side in an ongoing and far-reaching conflict where calls to arms and insults are part of the everyday climate in the rhetoric that surrounds this conflict".


Political correctness, election tactics or fear of radical Islam?

There are several comments to be made regarding the Chancellor’s remarkable statement. One is that it is important to remember in this election year that there is a sizeable Muslim minority in Sweden (Muslims number 400,000 souls in Sweden out of a total population of 9 million, whereas there are about 16,000 Jews living in that country).


Another is that at the mosque, a curse was pronounced on all Jews everywhere and the audience were encouraged to participate in Jihad (holy war) against Jews, highlighting suicide bombers as an effective weapon and praising them as martyrs. The Middle East was not singled out. This would therefore appear to be a clear case of racial incitement.

Yet the Chancellor of Justice opines that owing to the Middle East conflict, "such expressions, despite their content, cannot be regarded as racial incitement according to Swedish law". One might indeed wonder how the phrase "kill the Jews" needs to be expressed in order to be regarded as sufficient incitement to kill Jews, according to the Chancellor, who finds nothing inflammatory in the statement.

Shaky legal foundations

Notwithstanding the above, the Chancellor is on very shaky legal ground indeed. Sweden already has a legal precedent that Mr Lambertz has chosen to ignore: a case was successfully brought on grounds of anti-Semitic incitement in 1989 in the District Court and again in the Court of Appeal (1990) against Radio Islam’s legally responsible publisher Ahmed Rami. Legal proceedings had been instituted by the then-current Chancellor of Justice and Rami was convicted on 17 counts. Here too the defence and many Swedish apologists tried to mitigate Rami’s culpability by claiming that his statements should simply be regarded as robustly expressed comments on the situation in the Middle East. They failed and he went to jail.

Hadith

One consistent theme in these recent audio cassettes is a hadith (an Islamic tradition that is regarded as a direct quote from Muhammed). This hadith claims that there can be no peace anywhere in the world until the last Jew has been killed:


Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the
Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. ‘O Muslim!
There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.’"
[Hadith collected by Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177
(http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/041.smt.html#041.6985)]


History speaks for itself

The Swedish Chancellor of Justice may want to do some homework and compare the dates of the hadith with the start of the conflict in the Middle East: the hadith has nothing whatsoever to do with the Middle East conflict, predating Zionism and the rebirth of Israel by several centuries. It is, quite simply, an age-old appeal to religious zeal aimed at fomenting anti-Semitism. To explain it away as part of religious tradition or political commentary when neither the dates nor the words fit, is more than political correctness gone mad – it is directly subversive against a Jewish minority that has lived in Sweden and fully integrated with Swedish culture for 250 years, in favour of a Muslim minority that generally segregates itself from mainstream Swedes and has lived in the country for about 30 or 40 years.

It is never acceptable to cry "Wolf!" However, if Europeans had cried out their warning 67 years ago as Hitler rose to power and his calls to arms against the Jews had been taken at face value, the world would have been a very different place today. Not only for Europe’s Jews, but for the many millions of Russians, Americans, Australians, Canadians, Japanese and Europeans – not least Germans – who would have been spared the horrors of a war fired by racist zeal and stoked by racist ideology.


Systematised Jew-hatred

Here is a case – one of many – in which Hitler’s racist-supremacy descendants are expressing the very same sentiments albeit in a different language, and the result is, once again, a politically correct shrug of public-office indifference. Hitler called upon his supporters to kill all Jews for what he claimed was the general social good. His call was to kill all Jews everywhere. He almost succeeded. In the Stockholm Grand Mosque, true believers are incited to murder in the name of religion. And they are incited to murder all Jews, everywhere. The similarity in intent is terrifying. As is the similarity in silence from those whose job it is to know better.


The international media might want to put a question or two on this subject to Swedish Chancellor of Justice Mr Gran Lambertz, email registrator@justitiekanslern.se, phone +46 8 4051000. Postal address: Birger Jarls Torg 12, Box 2308, 103 17 Stockholm, Sweden.



Ilya Meyer
ilya.meyer@transtext.se
Gothenburg, Sweden

jan dinu
2006-04-19 20:30:58

Hatigva (sperantza - in ivrith )...

Contabilizam moartea la ambele parti ..
Care apare ritmic cu - fara tragere la sortzi ,
Pe pamintul biblic - mirific binecunoscut ...
Crima devenind ca o arta prin jurat - legamint !

Talionul ca blestem lucreaza semitic prin ea ...
Cu "credintza "moartea - liberatoare se vrea ,
Si noi gentilii - martori pe scena - o privim tot mereu ...
Traind astfel spectacolul -infern al grotescului - greu !!

JD

neamtu tiganu
2006-04-19 20:32:46

Re: Quran reported to the Police in Germany--- mosule se misca si p-aici cite ceva..


>
>In several talk-shows on German TV, conservative politicians have
>pointed out that the Quran is incompatible with the German
>constitution.

Ie o actiune concentrata si de durata, asa cum ii cunosc io pe nemti se misca incet si birocratic da cind incepe moara sa macine nu se opreste.

Intrun toc sou am vazut pa un musulman neamt care a refuzat sa dea mina cu moderatoarea , ca nu-i permitea religia... iti imaginezi ce impresie a lasat... smecheria ie sa sti ce reprezentanti ai islamistilor sa inviti ca sa obtini efectu scontat.

Katty
2006-04-19 20:40:45

Re: An Ex-Muslim's Warning

La 2006-04-19 19:56:36, roy a scris:

>Asta-i tot ce potzi sa zici? Nu ma mira...
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>La 2006-04-19 16:20:49, Katty a scris:
>
>>
>>
>>Aha, mos Grigore ti-e frica ca-ti micsoreaza arabii ajutorul social +
>>
>
>


I-am scris mosului pre limba lui !! Crezi ca pierd timpul cu el ??

Katty
2006-04-19 20:45:12

Re: Tot dela Katty din ograda...................................




N-ai inteles nimic - Suedia nu vrea sa-si transforme teritoriul in cimp de bataie intre arabi si evrei. Conflictul exista dar sa fie la ei acasa daca asta vor, nu in casa lor. Inteles mos grigoreata.???

roy
2006-04-19 20:49:17

Re: Porcarie care ataca imnul natzional Israelian - Sa-tzi fie rusine nesimtzitule!

Daca cineva ar fis cris astfel despre Imnul Romaniei - ce ai fi spus?
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

La 2006-04-19 20:30:58, jan dinu a scris:

>Contabilizam moartea la ambele parti ..
>Care apare ritmic cu - fara tragere la sortzi ,
>Pe pamintul biblic - mirific binecunoscut ...
>Crima devenind ca o arta prin jurat - legamint !
>
>Talionul ca blestem lucreaza semitic prin ea ...
>Cu "credintza "moartea - liberatoare se vrea ,
>Si noi gentilii - martori pe scena - o privim tot mereu ...
>Traind astfel spectacolul -infern al grotescului - greu !!
>
>JD
>

jan dinu
2006-04-19 21:05:34

Re: Porcarie care ataca imnul natzional Israelian - Sa-tzi fie rusine nesimtzitule!

Trebuia s-o ei ca o --- SPERANTA --- (doar atit )..
Te-ai pripit ,dar nu-i nimic !
JD



La 2006-04-19 20:49:17, roy a scris:

>Daca cineva ar fis cris astfel despre Imnul Romaniei - ce ai fi spus?
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>La 2006-04-19 20:30:58, jan dinu a scris:
>
>>Contabilizam moartea la ambele parti ..
>>Care apare ritmic cu - fara tragere la sortzi ,
>>Pe pamintul biblic - mirific binecunoscut ...
>>Crima devenind ca o arta prin jurat - legamint !
>>
>>Talionul ca blestem lucreaza semitic prin ea ...
>>Cu "credintza "moartea - liberatoare se vrea ,
>>Si noi gentilii - martori pe scena - o privim tot mereu ...
>>Traind astfel spectacolul -infern al grotescului - greu !!
>>
>>JD
>>
>
>

roy
2006-04-19 21:49:48

Re: Tot dela Katty din ograda...................................

Asa se incepe: intai evreii; dupa aia, daca statul nu reactzioneaza, incep si cu ceilaltzi. Vezi ce se petrece in Danemarka.

Dar si in Suedia a inceput deja.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


La 2006-04-19 20:07:39, Mos Grigore a scris:

>Swedish Jews:
>
>Swedish Chancellor of Justice: Muslim calls for "Death to
>Jews" are just part of the debate on the Middle East
>
>
>
>Earlier this year Swedish Chancellor of Justice Mr Gran Lambertz
>decided to discontinue his department’s pre-trial
>investigation into the Grand Mosque of Stockholm, where audio
>cassettes with highly inflammatory anti-Semitic content were being
>sold. After Swedish radio programme Dagens Eko unveiled the contents
>of the cassettes in November 2005, a charge of racial incitement was
>filed with the police against the Stockholm mosque.
>
>
>
>The Swedish Chancellor of Justice responded by closing the pre-trial
>investigation on the grounds that "the lecture did
>admittedly feature statements that are highly degrading to Jews
>(among other things, they are consistently referred to as the
>brothers of apes and pigs)" but pointing out that such
>statements "should be judged differently – and
>therefore be regarded as permissible – because they were
>used by one side in an ongoing and far-reaching conflict where calls
>to arms and insults are part of the everyday climate in the rhetoric
>that surrounds this conflict".
>
>
>Political correctness, election tactics or fear of radical Islam?
>
>There are several comments to be made regarding the
>Chancellor’s remarkable statement. One is that it is
>important to remember in this election year that there is a sizeable
>Muslim minority in Sweden (Muslims number 400,000 souls in Sweden out
>of a total population of 9 million, whereas there are about 16,000
>Jews living in that country).
>
>
>Another is that at the mosque, a curse was pronounced on all Jews
>everywhere and the audience were encouraged to participate in Jihad
>(holy war) against Jews, highlighting suicide bombers as an effective
>weapon and praising them as martyrs. The Middle East was not singled
>out. This would therefore appear to be a clear case of racial
>incitement.
>
>Yet the Chancellor of Justice opines that owing to the Middle East
>conflict, "such expressions, despite their content, cannot
>be regarded as racial incitement according to Swedish law".
>One might indeed wonder how the phrase "kill the
>Jews" needs to be expressed in order to be regarded as
>sufficient incitement to kill Jews, according to the Chancellor, who
>finds nothing inflammatory in the statement.
>
>Shaky legal foundations
>
>Notwithstanding the above, the Chancellor is on very shaky legal
>ground indeed. Sweden already has a legal precedent that Mr Lambertz
>has chosen to ignore: a case was successfully brought on grounds of
>anti-Semitic incitement in 1989 in the District Court and again in
>the Court of Appeal (1990) against Radio Islam’s legally
>responsible publisher Ahmed Rami. Legal proceedings had been
>instituted by the then-current Chancellor of Justice and Rami was
>convicted on 17 counts. Here too the defence and many Swedish
>apologists tried to mitigate Rami’s culpability by claiming
>that his statements should simply be regarded as robustly expressed
>comments on the situation in the Middle East. They failed and he went
>to jail.
>
>Hadith
>
>One consistent theme in these recent audio cassettes is a hadith (an
>Islamic tradition that is regarded as a direct quote from Muhammed).
>This hadith claims that there can be no peace anywhere in the world
>until the last Jew has been killed:
>
>
>Narrated Abu Huraira:
>Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established
>until you fight with the
>Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say.
>‘O Muslim!
>There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.’"
>[Hadith collected by Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 177
>(http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/041.smt.html#041.6985)]
>
>
>
>History speaks for itself
>
>The Swedish Chancellor of Justice may want to do some homework and
>compare the dates of the hadith with the start of the conflict in the
>Middle East: the hadith has nothing whatsoever to do with the Middle
>East conflict, predating Zionism and the rebirth of Israel by several
>centuries. It is, quite simply, an age-old appeal to religious zeal
>aimed at fomenting anti-Semitism. To explain it away as part of
>religious tradition or political commentary when neither the dates
>nor the words fit, is more than political correctness gone mad
>– it is directly subversive against a Jewish minority that
>has lived in Sweden and fully integrated with Swedish culture for 250
>years, in favour of a Muslim minority that generally segregates itself
>from mainstream Swedes and has lived in the country for about 30 or 40
>years.
>
>It is never acceptable to cry "Wolf!" However, if
>Europeans had cried out their warning 67 years ago as Hitler rose to
>power and his calls to arms against the Jews had been taken at face
>value, the world would have been a very different place today. Not
>only for Europe’s Jews, but for the many millions of
>Russians, Americans, Australians, Canadians, Japanese and Europeans
>– not least Germans – who would have been spared
>the horrors of a war fired by racist zeal and stoked by racist
>ideology.
>
>
>Systematised Jew-hatred
>
>Here is a case – one of many – in which
>Hitler’s racist-supremacy descendants are expressing the
>very same sentiments albeit in a different language, and the result
>is, once again, a politically correct shrug of public-office
>indifference. Hitler called upon his supporters to kill all Jews for
>what he claimed was the general social good. His call was to kill all
>Jews everywhere. He almost succeeded. In the Stockholm Grand Mosque,
>true believers are incited to murder in the name of religion. And
>they are incited to murder all Jews, everywhere. The similarity in
>intent is terrifying. As is the similarity in silence from those
>whose job it is to know better.
>
>
>The international media might want to put a question or two on this
>subject to Swedish Chancellor of Justice Mr Gran Lambertz, email
>registrator@justitiekanslern.se, phone +46 8 4051000. Postal address:
>Birger Jarls Torg 12, Box 2308, 103 17 Stockholm, Sweden.
>
>
>
>Ilya Meyer
>ilya.meyer@transtext.se
>Gothenburg, Sweden
>
>
>

Katty
2006-04-19 22:04:28

Re: Tot dela Katty din ograda...................................

La 2006-04-19 21:49:48, roy a scris:

>Asa se incepe: intai evreii; dupa aia, daca statul nu reactzioneaza,
>incep si cu ceilaltzi. Vezi ce se petrece in Danemarka.
>
>Dar si in Suedia a inceput deja.
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>



Cu evreii nu e nimicin Suedia. Sint reprezentati peste tot si in guvern si inparlament. Asa ca maischimba placa paranoica.

haril
2006-04-19 22:04:55

Ptr. Robin

Admit dreptul tau de aposta cu conditia de a evita subiectele care vizeaza Israelul si pe evrei.Toti forumistii cunosc deja obiectivitatea ta in legatura cu aceste subiecte.Fii rezonabil si cu buna cuvinta deoarece in aceasta saptamana nu este bine sa pacatuiesti.Respectai pe cei care au dat atatea sacrificii omenesti si a caror judecata nu poate fi facuta decat de Dumnezeu.Nu mai scormoni in ghenele mas media din toate colturile lumii pentru a dovedi cat de vinovati sunt cei casapiti de oameni a caror credinta in Dumnezeu le justifica calcarea in picioare a CELOR 10 PORUNCI DATE DE DUMNEZEU oamenilor pentru a fi respectate.Israelul este obligat sa ucida pentru a se apara de necredinciosii in Dumnezeu.

anonymous
2006-04-19 22:24:59

Re: Ptr. Robin

"Israelul este obligat sa ucida pentru a se apara de necredinciosii in Dumnezeu."

Bravo Haril, schimba Israel cu Hamas si Dumnezeu cu Allah si vezi ce obtii.

Sa moara infidelii!!!!

La 2006-04-19 22:04:55, haril a scris:

>Admit dreptul tau de aposta cu conditia de a evita subiectele care
>vizeaza Israelul si pe evrei.Toti forumistii cunosc deja
>obiectivitatea ta in legatura cu aceste subiecte.Fii rezonabil si cu
>buna cuvinta deoarece in aceasta saptamana nu este bine sa
>pacatuiesti.Respectai pe cei care au dat atatea sacrificii omenesti
>si a caror judecata nu poate fi facuta decat de Dumnezeu.Nu mai
>scormoni in ghenele mas media din toate colturile lumii pentru a
>dovedi cat de vinovati sunt cei casapiti de oameni a caror credinta
>in Dumnezeu le justifica calcarea in picioare a CELOR 10 PORUNCI DATE
>DE DUMNEZEU oamenilor pentru a fi respectate.Israelul este obligat sa
>ucida pentru a se apara de necredinciosii in Dumnezeu.
>

Mos Grigore
2006-04-19 22:26:42

Re: Ptr. Robin? Unde il vezi tu pe Robin pe aici? Vezi ca faci o mare confuzie!!!!!

La 2006-04-19 22:04:55, haril a scris:

>Admit dreptul tau de aposta cu conditia de a evita subiectele care
>vizeaza Israelul si pe evrei.Toti forumistii cunosc deja
>obiectivitatea ta in legatura cu aceste subiecte.Fii rezonabil si cu
>buna cuvinta deoarece in aceasta saptamana nu este bine sa
>pacatuiesti.Respectai pe cei care au dat atatea sacrificii omenesti
>si a caror judecata nu poate fi facuta decat de Dumnezeu.Nu mai
>scormoni in ghenele mas media din toate colturile lumii pentru a
>dovedi cat de vinovati sunt cei casapiti de oameni a caror credinta
>in Dumnezeu le justifica calcarea in picioare a CELOR 10 PORUNCI DATE
>DE DUMNEZEU oamenilor pentru a fi respectate.Israelul este obligat sa
>ucida pentru a se apara de necredinciosii in Dumnezeu.
>

zwilling carol
2006-04-19 22:30:52

Re: Hatigva (sperantza - in ivrith )...

La 2006-04-19 20:30:58, jan dinu a scris:

>Contabilizam moartea la ambele parti ..
>Care apare ritmic cu - fara tragere la sortzi ,
>Pe pamintul biblic - mirific binecunoscut ...
>Crima devenind ca o arta prin jurat - legamint !
>
>Talionul ca blestem lucreaza semitic prin ea ...
>Cu "credintza "moartea - liberatoare se vrea ,
>Si noi gentilii - martori pe scena - o privim tot mereu ...
>Traind astfel spectacolul -infern al grotescului - greu !!
>
>JD
>
Daca te-ai fi referit la cei ce onoreaza crima si moartea fara sa te referi la "Hatigva"versurile de mai sus nu ar fi fost atat de dramatice.....si nela locul lor....
Pacat
Carol

roy
2006-04-19 22:33:42

Re: Tot dela Katty din ograda...................................

N-ai intzeles. Am scris despre cum reactzioneaza statul la incitarile contra evreilor. Si Frantza e un exemplu bun.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

La 2006-04-19 22:04:28, Katty a scris:

>La 2006-04-19 21:49:48, roy a scris:
>
>>Asa se incepe: intai evreii; dupa aia, daca statul nu reactzioneaza,
>>incep si cu ceilaltzi. Vezi ce se petrece in Danemarka.
>>
>>Dar si in Suedia a inceput deja.
>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>
>
>
>Cu evreii nu e nimicin Suedia. Sint reprezentati peste tot si in
>guvern si inparlament. Asa ca maischimba placa paranoica.
>

Katty
2006-04-19 22:42:54

Re: Tot dela Katty din ograda...................................

La 2006-04-19 22:33:42, roy a scris:

>N-ai intzeles. Am scris despre cum reactzioneaza statul la incitarile
>contra evreilor. Si Frantza e un exemplu bun.
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>La 2006-04-19 22:04:28, Katty a scris:
>
>>La 2006-04-19 21:49:48, roy a scris:
>>
>>>Asa se incepe: intai evreii; dupa aia, daca statul nu reactzioneaza,
>>>incep si cu ceilaltzi. Vezi ce se petrece in Danemarka.
>>>
>>>Dar si in Suedia a inceput deja.
>>>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Cu evreii nu e nimicin Suedia. Sint reprezentati peste tot si in
>>guvern si inparlament. Asa ca maischimba placa paranoica.
>>


Si de ce bagi Suedia in varza ta ?

Robin
2006-04-19 22:49:06

Re: Ptr. Robin - Unde dai si unde crapa! :-))

La 2006-04-19 22:04:55, haril a scris:

> scormoni in ghenele mas media din toate colturile lumii pentru a
> dovedi cat de vinovati sunt cei casapiti de oameni a caror credinta
> in Dumnezeu le justifica calcarea in picioare a CELOR 10 PORUNCI DATE
> DE DUMNEZEU oamenilor pentru a fi respectate.Israelul este obligat sa
> ucida pentru a se apara de necredinciosii in Dumnezeu.


Imi pare rau, dar nu pot scrie pe intelesul tuturor! Sper ca macar omu' meu sa fi priceput aluzia...

jan dinu
2006-04-19 22:52:34

Re: Hatigva (sperantza - in ivrith )...

La 2006-04-19 22:30:52, zwilling carol a scris:

>La 2006-04-19 20:30:58, jan dinu a scris:
>
>>Contabilizam moartea la ambele parti ..
>>Care apare ritmic cu - fara tragere la sortzi ,
>>Pe pamintul biblic - mirific binecunoscut ...
>>Crima devenind ca o arta prin jurat - legamint !
>>
>>Talionul ca blestem lucreaza semitic prin ea ...
>>Cu "credintza "moartea - liberatoare se vrea ,
>>Si noi gentilii - martori pe scena - o privim tot mereu ...
>>Traind astfel spectacolul -infern al grotescului - greu !!
>>
>>JD
>>
>Daca te-ai fi referit la cei ce onoreaza crima si moartea fara sa te
>referi la "Hatigva"versurile de mai sus nu ar fi fost atat
>de dramatice.....si nela locul lor....
>Pacat
>Carol
>====================================================
Domnilor ,nici pe departe NU am vrut s-a ofensez prin
---HATIGVA--- (titlu inspirat dintr-o antologie )
unde era si un poet evreu - roman- NAFTALI
Ca a ajuns s-a fie imnul d-stra DE STAT - DIN NECUNOSTINTA
nu am dorit s-a cauzez in nici un fel o astfel de
neinspirata titulare ..doar este dintr-o pura - veche caremi-a
dat o festa la rememorare .Regrete !
JD











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