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2009-07-07

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Gargantua
2009-07-07 14:29:36

A-ha!

Deci aici vroiati sa ajungeti, cu criza asta artificiala... Teoreticieni ai conspiratiei, uinit-va! Si imbatati-va de fericire: aveti dreptate!

Nabuccodonosor al Doilea
2009-07-07 14:33:01

...

Adicatelea autoritatea asta sa fie un fel de dumnezeu care detine raspunsurile la nevoile fiecarui popor si om de pe planeta deci poate sa imparta binele in stanga si in dreapta. :))

Cred (sper) ca magnificul jurnalist Z.O. a rupt din context declaratiile astea si le-au denaturat intelesul. Altfe inseamna ca papul asta e lovit la cap rau de tot.

Eufrosin
2009-07-07 14:40:04

Re: A-ha!

Dupa cum se pare, e vorba de faptele conspiratiei, nu de teorii..
Din pacate, nu prea aduce fericire faptul de a avea dreptate, in cazul asta.

La 2009-07-07 14:29:36, Gargantua a scris:

> Deci aici vroiati sa ajungeti, cu criza asta artificiala...
> Teoreticieni ai conspiratiei, uinit-va! Si imbatati-va de fericire:
> aveti dreptate!
>

lastexit
2009-07-07 14:43:36

Re: ...

deci e lovit la cap rau de tot - ca sa te clarifici!


La 2009-07-07 14:33:01, Nabuccodonosor al Doilea a scris:

> Adicatelea autoritatea asta sa fie un fel de dumnezeu care detine
> raspunsurile la nevoile fiecarui popor si om de pe planeta deci poate
> sa imparta binele in stanga si in dreapta. :))
>
> Cred (sper) ca magnificul jurnalist Z.O. a rupt din context
> declaratiile astea si le-au denaturat intelesul. Altfe inseamna ca
> papul asta e lovit la cap rau de tot.
>

Andrei1232000
2009-07-07 14:50:26

Bildeberg

un fel de dumnezeu asta are si un nume (sau mai multe): Rockefeler, Rotschild, Kissinger, si poate si ca papa e taiat imprejur.

CALUGARU
2009-07-07 15:13:09

ceausescu a cerut asta de prin anii '70 !

Incult si idiot cum era, ceausescu a cerut acelash lucru pe care-l cere acu' acest papa. Dar cine sa-l asculte pe-atunci ? Acum, papa face acelasi lucru, cerind o uniformizare economica. el habar nu are ca acest lucru e imposibil, pentru ca industria si economia tarilor avansate se bazeaza numai si numai si numai pe sclavia pe care o intretin in tarile distruse d.p.d.v. economic. Pei, de exemplu, cit ar trebuis a coste ceaiul din Ceylon ?, daca acesta n-ar fi laut cu japca la un pret pe nimic, aproape pe gratis, dupa ce ceylonezii muncesc pe aceste plantatii mai rau decit sclavii Egiptului antic ? papa zice, papa aude. Cine-o sa-l bage in seama ? Ce mare trust o sa renunte la munca sclavilor din care-si culege profitul de dragul spuselor acestui purtator de palarioare a la Scufita Rosie ? Sa fim seriosi !

NormanFinkel5
2009-07-07 15:25:11

ONU nu-i mai ajunge, vrea Guvern Mondial. Pai nu asta zicea si Rockefeller? :-)

Ai vazut de unde sare porkkuletzu' mason zionist? DIN VATICAN :-))
Si cica Dumnezeu ar fi castigat in fatza Îngerului Cazut. Încep s ama cam indoiesc: toate inventziile Ovreimii de 5000 de ani incoace, sunt incet-incet recuperate de inventatori, inclusiv Catolicismul si Comunismul "Catolicismul Rosu, cu Marx Engels & Lenin pe post de Tatal Fiu si Sf-Duh".

Si daca mai aud acum pe vreunul ca sare in ajutorul mistretzului astuia zionsit imputzit care a furat in stilul si cu ajutporul lui GW Bush & CIA alegerile papale _trebuia sa iese Papa un Cardinal Sud-American_, il bag in originile lui sanatoase de mascarici judeo-papistasho-baptiste.
Asta a fost secr´retarul lui Vojtyla-KATZ, aka JP-II. Papa EVREU, bravo bah Catolicilor. Întalnirea cu Bartolomeu al Stambulului aduce mai degraba aminte de "divide et impera". Noroc ca Bartolomeu nu-i un prost...

Fronturile se pare ca se contureaza rigid ca-n Razboiul Rece chit ca PUTINA mai face pe "io-s neutru":
Crestinii-ortodocsi + Lumea a 3-a Catolica & musulmanii moderati pe de-o parte si Mafia NEW-ORDER judeo-baptisto-catolico pe partea cealalta.

La care se adauga fara sa vrea (ca-s tampiti cu ochelari de cal) ) ...... musulmanii imbecili extremisti Wahhabisti manipulati de agentii CIA ca de exemplu alde Osama Bin-Laden.:
http://www.questia.com/library/encyclopedia/wahhabi.jsp

Bin-Laden "terrarizdu' " asa-zis dusman... dar care la comanda CIA al caror angajat este, baga fitile si provoaca dezordine LA TZANC ca USA sa aibe motive sa-si vare nasul in toate tzarile.

[Ca-n filmul Piciul cu Charlie Chaplin, unde copilul mergea o strada-doua in fatza si tragea cu prastia-n ferestrele cartierului...

Si ca un facut venea "SALVAREA SITUATIEI NEPLACUTE" in persoana geamgiului Chaplin ... cu sticla pentru ferestre-n spinare, cum era pe vremuri.
Apoi faceau para-para el cu piciul. Asa si USA cu Osama bin Laden...]

Apai daca mai era nevoie ne-am lamurit ce djidanit este si (!) Papa-Panzer-SS asta Catolic, omul Zionului ca si Obama, ca si Biden, Clinton...

Naaaa, cotcodacilor care radeatzi de AARON RUSSO?:
Aaron RUSSO about The New World Order and N. Rockefeller (10 minutes):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7dbkkBIA
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OFF-TOPIC:
Elena-Elly 2009-07-03 07:17:58 Iarta-i Buratino; findca astia harta nu stiu s-o citeasca!

Era vorba de Hoover Dam si lipsa de apa si electricitate in California din cauza extinderii "Sodomei & Gomorei" Las-Vegas.

Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam

Las Vegas and Water in the West, University of Nevada, Las Vegas Libraries- a contributor to the Western Waters Digital Library project
http://digital.library.unlv.edu/water/about.html

Vorbeam de distributia de apa si curent electric nu de cate mile sunt acolo.
Harta n-are NIMIC de-a face cu IMPARTZEALA DE CURENT ELECRIC.

Si-n plus, ..... :-)))) nu batranul Colrado "trece pe la 5 mile de Las-Vegas" dac'o luam asa, ala trecea p'acolo de cand lumea asta facuta de Bunul Dumnezeu.

Ci BORDELUL ala imens Las-Vegas in care locuiesti, a fost facut de niste lepre puturoase si lihnite dupa BANI la 5-10 mile de Colorado-River.

Asa ar interpreta un American care nu-i paduche crupier sau nu da cu bulanele-n clienti de pe o masa cu o barna verticala ce suie pana in tavan....... Tudot kedves? ;-) Te bagi si tu ca musca-n zar.

tender33
2009-07-07 15:35:39

PAPA SPANZURA-TE NU PASAPOARTELOR BIOMETRICE!!

NAZIST NENOROCIT,SPANZURATE SI LASA-NE!!!ECUMENISM VRETI,VREI SI GUVERN MONDIAL ,SATANA?!!

frangisko
2009-07-07 16:17:43

Ce a spus de fapt Papa


Pope calls for a UN 'with teeth'
Pope Benedict XVI signs his encyclical Caritas in Veritate
It is the Pope's first encyclical on social issues

The Pope has called for reform of the United Nations and financial bodies, giving them the "real teeth" needed to tackle economic and social injustice.
Benedict XVI said the blind pursuit of profit and economic mismanagement had "wreaked havoc" on the global economy.
The market, said the Pope, must not become the place where the strong prevail over the weak.
His encyclical letter said a reformed UN should strive for disarmament, food security and environmental protection.
An encyclical letter is the highest form of papal teaching, says the BBC's David Willey in Rome.
There is urgent need of a true world political authority
Pope Benedict XVI
This letter, Caritas in Veritate, or Charity in Truth, is his third since being made Pope in 2005. It is the first to focus on social issues, and follows two on spiritual matters.
The densely argued 144-page document is the result of a two-year effort by the Pope to bring Catholic social teaching up to date on the ethical responsibilities for the global economic meltdown, says our correspondent.
Its publication comes on the eve of Wednesday's G8 meeting of world leaders at L'Aquila.
"There is a strongly felt need... for a reform of the United Nations Organisation, and likewise of economic institutions and international finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real teeth... there is urgent need of a true world political authority," the Pope wrote.
The strengthened international body should work "to bring about integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace, to guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate migration," Benedict said.
Dangers of profit
The letter, addressed to all Catholics "and people of goodwill", reminds them of their moral duties in financial dealings.
"Profit is useful if it serves as a means toward an end," he wrote.
"Once profit becomes the exclusive goal, if it is produced by improper means and without the common good as its ultimate end, it risks destroying wealth and creating poverty."
He warned that globalisation, properly managed, could "open up the unprecedented possibility of large-scale redistribution of wealth on a world-wide scale".
But badly directed, it could "lead to an increase in poverty and inequality, and could even trigger a global crisis".
On Friday Pope Benedict will have his first meeting with President Barack Obama at the Vatican, when the new US leader will have the opportunity to exchange views with the Pope on the moral imperatives facing world leaders in 2009, our correspondent says.

frangisko
2009-07-07 16:19:18

Re: Ce a spus de fapt Papa(BBC)

La 2009-07-07 16:17:43, frangisko a scris:

>
> Pope calls for a UN 'with teeth'
> Pope Benedict XVI signs his encyclical Caritas in Veritate
> It is the Pope's first encyclical on social issues
>
> The Pope has called for reform of the United Nations and financial
> bodies, giving them the "real teeth" needed to tackle economic and
> social injustice.
> Benedict XVI said the blind pursuit of profit and economic
> mismanagement had "wreaked havoc" on the global economy.
> The market, said the Pope, must not become the place where the strong
> prevail over the weak.
> His encyclical letter said a reformed UN should strive for
> disarmament, food security and environmental protection.
> An encyclical letter is the highest form of papal teaching, says the
> BBC's David Willey in Rome.
> There is urgent need of a true world political authority
> Pope Benedict XVI
> This letter, Caritas in Veritate, or Charity in Truth, is his third
> since being made Pope in 2005. It is the first to focus on social
> issues, and follows two on spiritual matters.
> The densely argued 144-page document is the result of a two-year
> effort by the Pope to bring Catholic social teaching up to date on
> the ethical responsibilities for the global economic meltdown, says
> our correspondent.
> Its publication comes on the eve of Wednesday's G8 meeting of world
> leaders at L'Aquila.
> "There is a strongly felt need... for a reform of the United Nations
> Organisation, and likewise of economic institutions and international
> finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real
> teeth... there is urgent need of a true world political authority,"
> the Pope wrote.
> The strengthened international body should work "to bring about
> integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace, to
> guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate
> migration," Benedict said.
> Dangers of profit
> The letter, addressed to all Catholics "and people of goodwill",
> reminds them of their moral duties in financial dealings.
> "Profit is useful if it serves as a means toward an end," he wrote.
> "Once profit becomes the exclusive goal, if it is produced by improper
> means and without the common good as its ultimate end, it risks
> destroying wealth and creating poverty."
> He warned that globalisation, properly managed, could "open up the
> unprecedented possibility of large-scale redistribution of wealth on
> a world-wide scale".
> But badly directed, it could "lead to an increase in poverty and
> inequality, and could even trigger a global crisis".
> On Friday Pope Benedict will have his first meeting with President
> Barack Obama at the Vatican, when the new US leader will have the
> opportunity to exchange views with the Pope on the moral imperatives
> facing world leaders in 2009, our correspondent says.
>

MirceaS
2009-07-07 18:46:53

Ponegrirea continua

Am înârziat sa intervin cu un comentariu fiindca am fost mirat de prezentarea jurnalistica ale acestei enciclice si am dorit sa o citesc mai întâi (69 de pagini).
Majoritatea au început sa comenteze bazându-se numai pe prezentarea cel putin dubioasa a acestui articol.

Pentru cei ineresati si francofoni, iata textul complet:

http://www.lefigaro.fr/assets/pdf/encyclique.pdf

Ori aceasta lucrare este un apel la Adevar, Caritate, Justitie si Dragoste.

Istoria cu "înfiintarea unei Autoritati politice mondiale" este trasa de par.
Chiar în enciclica, papa denunta pericolul abrutizarii.

Frati crestini, nu va lasati sa vi se traduca si sa vi se interpreteze spusele celor care vor binele TOATEI omeniri. Cititi singuri de la sursa si credeti apoi ce doriti !

Gargantua
2009-07-07 18:54:44

Re: Ce a spus de fapt Papa

Deci, ZIUA a inteles din nou gresit si ne-a manipulat fara rost. Ce boi de ziaristi avem, cu nimic mai presus decat politicienii!
Papa a zis doar ca ONU ar trebui sa-si ia rolul in serios, ceea ce toata lumea si-ar dori, in contextul unei economii globalizate. Mai studiati engleza, baieti, ca romana oricum nu stiti!

La 2009-07-07 16:17:43, frangisko a scris:

>
> Pope calls for a UN 'with teeth'
> Pope Benedict XVI signs his encyclical Caritas in Veritate
> It is the Pope's first encyclical on social issues
>
> The Pope has called for reform of the United Nations and financial
> bodies, giving them the "real teeth" needed to tackle economic and
> social injustice.
> Benedict XVI said the blind pursuit of profit and economic
> mismanagement had "wreaked havoc" on the global economy.
> The market, said the Pope, must not become the place where the strong
> prevail over the weak.
> His encyclical letter said a reformed UN should strive for
> disarmament, food security and environmental protection.
> An encyclical letter is the highest form of papal teaching, says the
> BBC's David Willey in Rome.
> There is urgent need of a true world political authority
> Pope Benedict XVI
> This letter, Caritas in Veritate, or Charity in Truth, is his third
> since being made Pope in 2005. It is the first to focus on social
> issues, and follows two on spiritual matters.
> The densely argued 144-page document is the result of a two-year
> effort by the Pope to bring Catholic social teaching up to date on
> the ethical responsibilities for the global economic meltdown, says
> our correspondent.
> Its publication comes on the eve of Wednesday's G8 meeting of world
> leaders at L'Aquila.
> "There is a strongly felt need... for a reform of the United Nations
> Organisation, and likewise of economic institutions and international
> finance, so that the concept of the family of nations can acquire real
> teeth... there is urgent need of a true world political authority,"
> the Pope wrote.
> The strengthened international body should work "to bring about
> integral and timely disarmament, food security and peace, to
> guarantee the protection of the environment and to regulate
> migration," Benedict said.
> Dangers of profit
> The letter, addressed to all Catholics "and people of goodwill",
> reminds them of their moral duties in financial dealings.
> "Profit is useful if it serves as a means toward an end," he wrote.
> "Once profit becomes the exclusive goal, if it is produced by improper
> means and without the common good as its ultimate end, it risks
> destroying wealth and creating poverty."
> He warned that globalisation, properly managed, could "open up the
> unprecedented possibility of large-scale redistribution of wealth on
> a world-wide scale".
> But badly directed, it could "lead to an increase in poverty and
> inequality, and could even trigger a global crisis".
> On Friday Pope Benedict will have his first meeting with President
> Barack Obama at the Vatican, when the new US leader will have the
> opportunity to exchange views with the Pope on the moral imperatives
> facing world leaders in 2009, our correspondent says.
>

MirceaS
2009-07-07 19:22:01

link-urile pentru enciclica

Caritas in Veritate

engleza
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate_en.html

germana
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate_ge.html

italiana
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate_it.html

în franceza am un link pdf, mai usor de citit
http://www.lefigaro.fr/assets/pdf/encyclique.pdf


Merita sa cititi

briel
2009-07-07 21:37:51

Ziaristul de la Ziua a facut o traducere de aici

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/07/pope-on-economy-world-nee_n_227039.html

unde se regasesc pasaje exacte din cele 69 de pagini. Americanul o fi avut timp sa citeasca tot si sa condenseze pana la cele mai importante idei. Deci vina Z.O. este ca nu a avut timp sa parcurga tot materialul.

Totusi citatele sunt edificatoare.

Anca2008
2009-07-07 21:43:27

Re: domnule MirceaS

am tot respectul pentru opiniile dvs. dar il aparati in van pe papa. Nu e treaba unui cleric sa se preocupe de soarta finantelor mondiale. Nu mai are Biserica Catolica nici o alta problema?

MirceaS
2009-07-07 22:23:10

Re: domnule MirceaS

La 2009-07-07 21:43:27, Anca2008 a scris:

> am tot respectul pentru opiniile dvs. dar il aparati in van pe papa.
> Nu e treaba unui cleric sa se preocupe de soarta finantelor mondiale.
> Nu mai are Biserica Catolica nici o alta problema?
>


Anca, aspectul financiar este foarte putin abordat în enciclica, trebuie sa-l cauti cu lupa. Va recomand sa cititi integralitatea textului, v-am dat link-ul în franceza, eu sunt entuziasmat.

Desi sunt ortodox, eu am o admiratie netarmurita fata de acest papa, enciclica aceasta este din nou de înalt nivel politic, sociologic, filozofic si teologic.

Papa Benedict este un om si un sef de biserica exceptional.

Adversarii crestinismului nu se însala si de aceea papa Benedict este atacat cum nici un alt papa din epoca moderna nu a fost atacat.

MirceaS
2009-07-07 22:32:40

Re: Ziaristul de la Ziua a facut o traducere de aici 1

La 2009-07-07 21:37:51, briel a scris:

> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/07/pope-on-economy-world-nee_n_227039.html
>
>
> unde se regasesc pasaje exacte din cele 69 de pagini. Americanul o fi
> avut timp sa citeasca tot si sa condenseze pana la cele mai
> importante idei. Deci vina Z.O. este ca nu a avut timp sa parcurga
> tot materialul.
>
> Totusi citatele sunt edificatoare.

Citatele nu sunt convingatoare, fiindca nu sunt semnificative fata de lungul text:

"1. Charity in truth, to which Jesus Christ bore witness by his earthly life and especially by his death and resurrection, is the principal driving force behind the authentic development of every person and of all humanity. Love — caritas — is an extraordinary force which leads people to opt for courageous and generous engagement in the field of justice and peace. It is a force that has its origin in God, Eternal Love and Absolute Truth. Each person finds his good by adherence to God's plan for him, in order to realize it fully: in this plan, he finds his truth, and through adherence to this truth he becomes free (cf. Jn 8:22). To defend the truth, to articulate it with humility and conviction, and to bear witness to it in life are therefore exacting and indispensable forms of charity. Charity, in fact, "rejoices in the truth" (1 Cor 13:6). All people feel the interior impulse to love authentically: love and truth never abandon them completely, because these are the vocation planted by God in the heart and mind of every human person. The search for love and truth is purified and liberated by Jesus Christ from the impoverishment that our humanity brings to it, and he reveals to us in all its fullness the initiative of love and the plan for true life that God has prepared for us. In Christ, charity in truth becomes the Face of his Person, a vocation for us to love our brothers and sisters in the truth of his plan. Indeed, he himself is the Truth (cf. Jn 14:6)...."

"...The Church does not have technical solutions to offer[10] and does not claim "to interfere in any way in the politics of States."[11] She does, however, have a mission of truth to accomplish, in every time and circumstance, for a society that is attuned to man, to his dignity, to his vocation. Without truth, it is easy to fall into an empiricist and sceptical view of life, incapable of rising to the level of praxis because of a lack of interest in grasping the values — sometimes even the meanings — with which to judge and direct it. Fidelity to man requires fidelity to the truth, which alone is the guarantee of freedom (cf. Jn 8:32) and of the possibility of integral human development. For this reason the Church searches for truth, proclaims it tirelessly and recognizes it wherever it is manifested. This mission of truth is something that the Church can never renounce. Her social doctrine is a particular dimension of this proclamation: it is a service to the truth which sets us free. Open to the truth, from whichever branch of knowledge it comes, the Church's social doctrine receives it, assembles into a unity the fragments in which it is often found, and mediates it within the constantly changing life-patterns of the society of peoples and nations[12]...."

MirceaS
2009-07-07 22:35:31

Re: Ziaristul de la Ziua a facut o traducere de aici 2

"...14. In his Apostolic Letter Octogesima Adveniens of 1971, Paul VI reflected on the meaning of politics, and the danger constituted by utopian and ideological visions that place its ethical and human dimensions in jeopardy. These are matters closely connected with development. Unfortunately the negative ideologies continue to flourish. Paul VI had already warned against the technocratic ideology so prevalent today[26], fully aware of the great danger of entrusting the entire process of development to technology alone, because in that way it would lack direction. Technology, viewed in itself, is ambivalent. If on the one hand, some today would be inclined to entrust the entire process of development to technology, on the other hand we are witnessing an upsurge of ideologies that deny in toto the very value of development, viewing it as radically anti-human and merely a source of degradation. This leads to a rejection, not only of the distorted and unjust way in which progress is sometimes directed, but also of scientific discoveries themselves, which, if well used, could serve as an opportunity of growth for all. The idea of a world without development indicates a lack of trust in man and in God. It is therefore a serious mistake to undervalue human capacity to exercise control over the deviations of development or to overlook the fact that man is constitutionally oriented towards "being more". Idealizing technical progress, or contemplating the utopia of a return to humanity's original natural state, are two contrasting ways of detaching progress from its moral evaluation and hence from our responsibility."

"As John Paul II has already observed, the demarcation line between rich and poor countries is no longer as clear as it was at the time of Populorum Progressio[55]. The world's wealth is growing in absolute terms, but inequalities are on the increase. In rich countries, new sectors of society are succumbing to poverty and new forms of poverty are emerging. In poorer areas some groups enjoy a sort of "superdevelopment" of a wasteful and consumerist kind which forms an unacceptable contrast with the ongoing situations of dehumanizing deprivation. "The scandal of glaring inequalities"[56] continues. Corruption and illegality are unfortunately evident in the conduct of the economic and political class in rich countries, both old and new, as well as in poor ones. Among those who sometimes fail to respect the human rights of workers are large multinational companies as well as local producers. International aid has often been diverted from its proper ends, through irresponsible actions both within the chain of donors and within that of the beneficiaries. Similarly, in the context of immaterial or cultural causes of development and underdevelopment, we find these same patterns of responsibility reproduced. On the part of rich countries there is excessive zeal for protecting knowledge through an unduly rigid assertion of the right to intellectual property, especially in the field of health care. At the same time, in some poor countries, cultural models and social norms of behaviour persist which hinder the process of development."

MirceaS
2009-07-07 22:37:16

Re: Ziaristul de la Ziua a facut o traducere de aici 3


"Today, as we take to heart the lessons of the current economic crisis, which sees the State's public authorities directly involved in correcting errors and malfunctions, it seems more realistic to re-evaluate their role and their powers, which need to be prudently reviewed and remodelled so as to enable them, perhaps through new forms of engagement, to address the challenges of today's world. Once the role of public authorities has been more clearly defined, one could foresee an increase in the new forms of political participation, nationally and internationally, that have come about through the activity of organizations operating in civil society; in this way it is to be hoped that the citizens' interest and participation in the res publica will become more deeply rooted."


"he mobility of labour, associated with a climate of deregulation, is an important phenomenon with certain positive aspects, because it can stimulate wealth production and cultural exchange. Nevertheless, uncertainty over working conditions caused by mobility and deregulation, when it becomes endemic, tends to create new forms of psychological instability, giving rise to difficulty in forging coherent life-plans, including that of marriage. This leads to situations of human decline, to say nothing of the waste of social resources. In comparison with the casualties of industrial society in the past, unemployment today provokes new forms of economic marginalization, and the current crisis can only make this situation worse. Being out of work or dependent on public or private assistance for a prolonged period undermines the freedom and creativity of the person and his family and social relationships, causing great psychological and spiritual suffering. I would like to remind everyone, especially governments engaged in boosting the world's economic and social assets, that the primary capital to be safeguarded and valued is man, the human person in his or her integrity: "Man is the source, the focus and the aim of all economic and social life"[61]."

synd
2009-07-07 22:40:52

Re: domnule MirceaS

La 2009-07-07 21:43:27, Anca2008 a scris:

> am tot respectul pentru opiniile dvs. dar il aparati in van pe papa.
> Nu e treaba unui cleric sa se preocupe de soarta finantelor mondiale.
> Nu mai are Biserica Catolica nici o alta problema?
>




Daca eu il inteleg bine pe dl. MirceaS, atunci el nu a luat apararea Papei ci, pur si simplu, s-a opus mai degraba titlului si continutului articolului, evident subiectiv si malitios.

Trecand peste faptul ca Papa nu este un simplu "cleric", asa precum nici Patriarhul Constantinopulului nu este un simplu "cleric", poate ar fi util sa stiti ca abordarea problemelor globale ale umanitatii constituie deja o traditie veche la Vatican. Daca Patriarhul Constantinopolului tace, din motive lesne de inteles, Papa nu ezita sa-si expuna convingerile. O asemnea intervenita ar trebui, cred eu, parcursa si apreciata, chiar daca, in contextul lumii actuale, opiniile sale sunt sau par a fi straine de realitate.

Aceasta enciclica trateaza toate problemele cu care se confrunta in prezent omenirea, inclusiv razboiul si pacea, familia si sociatetea, economia, finanzele si sindicatele, criza economica mondiala, evolutia tehnicii si popoarele lumii, etc., etc.

Gasesc laudabila initiativa domnului MirceaS. de a pune la dispozitie link-urile necesare, mai ales atunci cand autorul articolului de fata, care vorbeste despre un "comunicat" (sic!), lasa sa se inteleaga care Papa ar face parte cumva dintr-o conjuratie mondiala...

synd
2009-07-07 22:59:31

Re: domnule MirceaS

La 2009-07-07 22:23:10, MirceaS a scris:

>
> Adversarii crestinismului nu se însala si de aceea papa Benedict este
> atacat cum nici un alt papa din epoca moderna nu a fost atacat.




Va sustin complet opinia si va ofer un link:

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/217/479705/text/

In cazul in care nu intelegeti germana, tin sa precizez doar ca articolul acestui Matthias Drobiski (http://www.muenster.de/~angergun/drobinski.html) este o juxtapunere de afirmatii gaunoase si penibile, atat prin goliciunea spiritului cat si prin absenta oricaror argumente, de natura sa-i justifice agresiunea verbala permanenta, de ani de zile, contra Bisericii Catolice.
>

MirceaS
2009-07-07 23:07:28

Re: domnule MirceaS

La 2009-07-07 22:59:31, synd a scris:

> La 2009-07-07 22:23:10, MirceaS a scris:
>
> >
> > Adversarii crestinismului nu se însala si de aceea papa Benedict este
> > atacat cum nici un alt papa din epoca moderna nu a fost atacat.
>
>
>
>
> Va sustin complet opinia si va ofer un link:
>
> http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/217/479705/text/
>
> In cazul in care nu intelegeti germana, tin sa precizez doar ca
> articolul acestui Matthias Drobiski
> (http://www.muenster.de/~angergun/drobinski.html) este o juxtapunere
> de afirmatii gaunoase si penibile, atat prin goliciunea spiritului
> cat si prin absenta oricaror argumente, de natura sa-i justifice
> agresiunea verbala permanenta, de ani de zile, contra Bisericii
> Catolice.
> >
>

Va multumesc pentru link, dar se pare ca nu este operant

"Sie haben so eben versucht, die Seite http://www.muenster.de/~angergun/drobinski.htm aufzurufen."

Oricum, germana mea este la nivel scolar si nu stiu daca as fi înteles totul.

Apreciez interventiile dvs pe forum si am învatat aspecte ale istoriei de la dvs.

Ma bucur ca avem aceeasi opinie vs papa Benedict.

Arcturus
2009-07-07 23:12:21

Re: bla-bla-uri ...

"To defend the truth" !!!!! BUNA GLUMA, MAI ALES CAND VINE DE LA CEL CARE A TINUT SUB PRES POVESTEA CU PREOTII PEDOFILI.

Scuteste-ne ....



La 2009-07-07 22:32:40, MirceaS a scris:

> La 2009-07-07 21:37:51, briel a scris:
>
> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/07/pope-on-economy-world-nee_n_227039.html
> >
> >
> > unde se regasesc pasaje exacte din cele 69 de pagini. Americanul o fi
> > avut timp sa citeasca tot si sa condenseze pana la cele mai
> > importante idei. Deci vina Z.O. este ca nu a avut timp sa parcurga
> > tot materialul.
> >
> > Totusi citatele sunt edificatoare.
>
> Citatele nu sunt convingatoare, fiindca nu sunt semnificative fata de
> lungul text:
>
> "1. Charity in truth, to which Jesus Christ bore witness by his
> earthly life and especially by his death and resurrection, is the
> principal driving force behind the authentic development of every
> person and of all humanity. Love — caritas — is an
> extraordinary force which leads people to opt for courageous and
> generous engagement in the field of justice and peace. It is a force
> that has its origin in God, Eternal Love and Absolute Truth. Each
> person finds his good by adherence to God's plan for him, in order to
> realize it fully: in this plan, he finds his truth, and through
> adherence to this truth he becomes free (cf. Jn 8:22). To defend the
> truth, to articulate it with humility and conviction, and to bear
> witness to it in life are therefore exacting and indispensable forms
> of charity. Charity, in fact, "rejoices in the truth" (1
> Cor 13:6). All people feel the interior impulse to love
> authentically: love and truth never abandon them completely, because
> these are the vocation planted by God in the heart and mind of every
> human person. The search for love and truth is purified and liberated
> by Jesus Christ from the impoverishment that our humanity brings to
> it, and he reveals to us in all its fullness the initiative of love
> and the plan for true life that God has prepared for us. In Christ,
> charity in truth becomes the Face of his Person, a vocation for us to
> love our brothers and sisters in the truth of his plan. Indeed, he
> himself is the Truth (cf. Jn 14:6)...."
>
> "...The Church does not have technical solutions to offer[10] and does
> not claim "to interfere in any way in the politics of
> States."[11] She does, however, have a mission of truth to
> accomplish, in every time and circumstance, for a society that is
> attuned to man, to his dignity, to his vocation. Without truth, it is
> easy to fall into an empiricist and sceptical view of life, incapable
> of rising to the level of praxis because of a lack of interest in
> grasping the values — sometimes even the meanings — with
> which to judge and direct it. Fidelity to man requires fidelity to
> the truth, which alone is the guarantee of freedom (cf. Jn 8:32) and
> of the possibility of integral human development. For this reason the
> Church searches for truth, proclaims it tirelessly and recognizes it
> wherever it is manifested. This mission of truth is something that
> the Church can never renounce. Her social doctrine is a particular
> dimension of this proclamation: it is a service to the truth which
> sets us free. Open to the truth, from whichever branch of knowledge
> it comes, the Church's social doctrine receives it, assembles into a
> unity the fragments in which it is often found, and mediates it
> within the constantly changing life-patterns of the society of
> peoples and nations[12]...."
>
>

synd
2009-07-07 23:18:21

Re: domnule MirceaS

La 2009-07-07 23:07:28, MirceaS a scris:
permanenta, de ani de zile, contra Bisericii
> > Catolice.
> > >
> >
>
> Va multumesc pentru link, dar se pare ca nu este operant
>
> "Sie haben so eben versucht, die Seite
> http://www.muenster.de/~angergun/drobinski.htm aufzurufen."
>
> Oricum, germana mea este la nivel scolar si nu stiu daca as fi înteles
> totul.
>
> Apreciez interventiile dvs pe forum si am învatat aspecte ale istoriei
> de la dvs.
>
> Ma bucur ca avem aceeasi opinie vs papa Benedict.
>
>


La fel ca si Dvs. si eu sunt ortodox, chiar daca, din motive strict personale, nu am mai intrat intr-o biserica ortodoxa din diaspora de foarte multi ani. O fac insa anual, atunci cand ajung in Tara. Faptul ca atare nu ma impiedica insa sa port respectul cuvenit Bisericii Catolice, chiar daca, mai ales dupa Conciliul al II-lea de la Vatican, aceasta a decis sa paseasca pe calea "modernitatii" incurabile. Mai mult decat regretabil.

Incercati inca o data, poate reusiti de data asta:

http://www.muenster.de/~angergun/drobinski.html


MirceaS
2009-07-07 23:56:42

Re: domnule MirceaS

La 2009-07-07 23:18:21, synd a scris:

> La 2009-07-07 23:07:28, MirceaS a scris:
> permanenta, de ani de zile, contra Bisericii
> > > Catolice.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > Va multumesc pentru link, dar se pare ca nu este operant
> >
> > "Sie haben so eben versucht, die Seite
> > http://www.muenster.de/~angergun/drobinski.htm aufzurufen."
> >
> > Oricum, germana mea este la nivel scolar si nu stiu daca as fi înteles
> > totul.
> >
> > Apreciez interventiile dvs pe forum si am învatat aspecte ale istoriei
> > de la dvs.
> >
> > Ma bucur ca avem aceeasi opinie vs papa Benedict.
> >
> >
>
>
> La fel ca si Dvs. si eu sunt ortodox, chiar daca, din motive strict
> personale, nu am mai intrat intr-o biserica ortodoxa din diaspora de
> foarte multi ani. O fac insa anual, atunci cand ajung in Tara. Faptul
> ca atare nu ma impiedica insa sa port respectul cuvenit Bisericii
> Catolice, chiar daca, mai ales dupa Conciliul al II-lea de la
> Vatican, aceasta a decis sa paseasca pe calea "modernitatii"
> incurabile. Mai mult decat regretabil.
>
> Incercati inca o data, poate reusiti de data asta:
>
> http://www.muenster.de/~angergun/drobinski.html
>
>

Cosecintele conciliului Vatican II sunt atenuate de recentele decizii ale papei Benedict, inclusiv în recunoasterea liturghiei traditionale (latine).

LENIO
2009-07-08 07:17:56

Sigur e ca toata lumea vrea p a p a!

Dar conducator universal e numai Dumnezeu !
Istoria e plina de asemenea vise mondiale,atat de ale laicilor,cat si de ale ecleziastilor.De ce nu invatza oamenii din greselile predecesorilor ?
Posibil ca in fiecare suitor pe treapta inalta a puterii, sa incoltzeasca ganduri de
..."instabilitate emotzionala"?

IISUSCHR
2009-07-08 13:54:29

Dragi Romani !

Nu va lasati dusi de jidanei ca Normanfinkel5 , hokusai bacsi , iobagul roman etc .va place sau nu , va fi un guvern mondial condus si organizat de catre evrei luminati , asa ca cel mai bine ar fi sa lasam naibii religia asta prosteasca a noastra si sa trecem la iudaism ; daca ne grabim si o facem rapid putem cere alipirea la israel (dupa ce dam inapoi prostia asta de transilvania pe care am sutit-o) si face parte din poporul conducator si inteligent ; ati fost lasati sa va alegeti singuri viitorul si uite cu ce v-ati ales : idioti care sa va conduca , popor de pedofili , hoti gainari si violatori ; o tara in care "oameni" ca normanfinkel5 , iobagul romaan , lili marlen , hokusai , cotrofelnitza au drept la vot si la pareri proprii! Rusine , rusine , rusine!


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