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moroianu (...@k.ro, IP: 92.81.113...)
2008-12-30 10:29
ROMANUL E NASCUT POET...


...si expert in stabilirea de ierarhii mondiale pe diverse planuri.

In mod automat tabara pe care o slugareste el la un anumit moment al istoriei e cea mai puternica din lume, iar cealalta se afla intr-un declin inexorabiul si e amenintata cu disparitia, si anume nu orice fel de disparitie, ci una cat mai rusinoasa.

Vezi colectiile ziarelor SCINTEIA, ROMANIA LIBERA si, desigur, arhiva forumului ZIUA!

alwis46 (...@yahoo.com, IP: 86.121.238...)
2008-12-30 10:51
Re: ROMANUL E NASCUT POET...

Pai sa ne reamintim.
Presa bolsevica ne bombarda cu dezastruoasele scumpiri de 02-05% ale preturilor de prin cele Americi si tari occidentale in contrapartida cu minunatele si atat de beneficile reasezari de preturi ale socialismului biruitor la sate si orase cand curentul electric crestea de la un leu kilowatt-ul la 3 lei, cand carnea de porc crestea de la 18 lei/kg la 37 lei si cand biletul de tramvai s efacea 3 lei in loc de un leu.
Cam asa si acum...America si occidentul sunt intr-o groapa fara fund in timp ce Rusia, Cuba, Coreea de Nord, Venezuela si alte tari ca ele zburda pe pajistile progresului si fericirii fara sfarsit.

La 2008-12-30 10:29:26, moroianu a scris:

>
> ...si expert in stabilirea de ierarhii mondiale pe diverse
> planuri.
>
> In mod automat tabara pe care o slugareste el la un anumit
> moment al istoriei e cea mai puternica din lume, iar cealalta se afla
> intr-un declin inexorabiul si e amenintata cu disparitia, si anume nu
> orice fel de disparitie, ci una cat mai rusinoasa.
>
> Vezi colectiile ziarelor SCINTEIA, ROMANIA LIBERA si, desigur,
> arhiva forumului ZIUA!
>

moroianu (...@k.ro, IP: 92.81.113...)
2008-12-30 12:11
Re: Gresit, draga Alwiss!...


Trebuie sa fim in ton cu ultimele tendintze ale istoriei de cafenea:

In prezent, RUSIA se afla intr-o "groapa fara fund" (intrteaba-i pe Roy si pe Mache"), in vreme ce USA (a caror minuanta politica bancara a provocat actuala criza) si restul tarilor occidentale "zburda pe pajistile progresului si fericirii fara sfarsit".

Iar romanii nostri, impartiali cum ii stim, inregistreaza totul, dau verdicte si se bucura in forul lor interior de politicieni innascuti.

La 2008-12-30 10:51:23, alwis46 a scris:

> Pai sa ne reamintim.
> Presa bolsevica ne bombarda cu dezastruoasele scumpiri de 02-05% ale
> preturilor de prin cele Americi si tari occidentale in contrapartida
> cu minunatele si atat de beneficile reasezari de preturi ale
> socialismului biruitor la sate si orase cand curentul electric
> crestea de la un leu kilowatt-ul la 3 lei, cand carnea de porc
> crestea de la 18 lei/kg la 37 lei si cand biletul de tramvai s efacea
> 3 lei in loc de un leu.
> Cam asa si acum...America si occidentul sunt intr-o groapa fara fund
> in timp ce Rusia, Cuba, Coreea de Nord, Venezuela si alte tari ca ele
> zburda pe pajistile progresului si fericirii fara sfarsit.
>
> La 2008-12-30 10:29:26, moroianu a scris:
>
> >
> > ...si expert in stabilirea de ierarhii mondiale pe diverse
> > planuri.
> >
> > In mod automat tabara pe care o slugareste el la un anumit
> > moment al istoriei e cea mai puternica din lume, iar cealalta se afla
> > intr-un declin inexorabiul si e amenintata cu disparitia, si anume nu
> > orice fel de disparitie, ci una cat mai rusinoasa.
> >
> > Vezi colectiile ziarelor SCINTEIA, ROMANIA LIBERA si, desigur,
> > arhiva forumului ZIUA!
> >
>
>

alwis46 (...@yahoo.com, IP: 86.121.238...)
2008-12-30 12:45
Re: Gresit, draga Alwiss!...

Nu e vorba aici cine a gresit...e vorba ca o parte a eminentilor analisti economico-financiari de pe forum vad doar criza din State si tarile puternic industrializate dar se feresc ca dracul de tamaie sa prezinte realitatea din tarile pentru care au ei puternice sentimente de dragoste frateasca.
La fel ca si in State, criza este puternic prezenta si in Rusia ori a prezenta numai groapa in care sunt americanii inseamna un subiectivism dus dincolo de orice intelegere.
Ma uitam mai devreme prin articolele din The Economist si Financial Times si am vazut articole care numai de bine nu vorbesc de criza americana.
Ei bine, analistii de pe forum de care faceam vorbire ceva mai sus, vad numai aceasta parte a unui tablou care din pacate cuprinde si aspecte ale crizei in tari pe care ei ni le prezinta drept oaze de stabilitate si prosperitate desi au o situatie la fel de proasta ca a americanilor.


La 2008-12-30 12:11:17, moroianu a scris:

>
> Trebuie sa fim in ton cu ultimele tendintze ale istoriei de
> cafenea:
>
> In prezent, RUSIA se afla intr-o "groapa fara fund"
> (intrteaba-i pe Roy si pe Mache"), in vreme ce USA (a caror minuanta
> politica bancara a provocat actuala criza) si restul tarilor
> occidentale "zburda pe pajistile progresului si fericirii fara
> sfarsit".
>
> Iar romanii nostri, impartiali cum ii stim, inregistreaza
> totul, dau verdicte si se bucura in forul lor interior de politicieni
> innascuti.
>
> La 2008-12-30 10:51:23, alwis46 a scris:
>
> > Pai sa ne reamintim.
> > Presa bolsevica ne bombarda cu dezastruoasele scumpiri de 02-05% ale
> > preturilor de prin cele Americi si tari occidentale in contrapartida
> > cu minunatele si atat de beneficile reasezari de preturi ale
> > socialismului biruitor la sate si orase cand curentul electric
> > crestea de la un leu kilowatt-ul la 3 lei, cand carnea de porc
> > crestea de la 18 lei/kg la 37 lei si cand biletul de tramvai s efacea
> > 3 lei in loc de un leu.
> > Cam asa si acum...America si occidentul sunt intr-o groapa fara fund
> > in timp ce Rusia, Cuba, Coreea de Nord, Venezuela si alte tari ca ele
> > zburda pe pajistile progresului si fericirii fara sfarsit.
> >
> > La 2008-12-30 10:29:26, moroianu a scris:
> >
> > >
> > > ...si expert in stabilirea de ierarhii mondiale pe diverse
> > > planuri.
> > >
> > > In mod automat tabara pe care o slugareste el la un anumit
> > > moment al istoriei e cea mai puternica din lume, iar cealalta se afla
> > > intr-un declin inexorabiul si e amenintata cu disparitia, si anume nu
> > > orice fel de disparitie, ci una cat mai rusinoasa.
> > >
> > > Vezi colectiile ziarelor SCINTEIA, ROMANIA LIBERA si, desigur,
> > > arhiva forumului ZIUA!
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

roy din secrapadeziua.blogspot.com (...@hotmail.com, IP: 213.8.118...)
2008-12-30 13:09
Re: Gresit, draga Alwiss!...

1) Nu am scris nicaieri ca situatzia din USA este foarte buna. Insa dintre cele doua tzari Rusia si America, parerea mea este ca situatzia din Rusia este mai proasta si ca are sanse sa cada mai zdravan decat America.

2) Ziua aproape ca nu publica articole despre situatzia economica in Rusia, pe de alta parte suntem bombardatzi de comentariile pro-sovietice ale lui Ahmed in care situatzia de acolo este descrisa ca un paradis in comparatzie cu iadul american. De aceea am gasit de cuviintza sa informez forumul despre situatzia adevarata de acolo.
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La 2008-12-30 12:11:17, moroianu a scris:

>
> Trebuie sa fim in ton cu ultimele tendintze ale istoriei de
> cafenea:
>
> In prezent, RUSIA se afla intr-o "groapa fara fund"
> (intrteaba-i pe Roy si pe Mache"), in vreme ce USA (a caror minuanta
> politica bancara a provocat actuala criza) si restul tarilor
> occidentale "zburda pe pajistile progresului si fericirii fara
> sfarsit".
>
> Iar romanii nostri, impartiali cum ii stim, inregistreaza
> totul, dau verdicte si se bucura in forul lor interior de politicieni
> innascuti.
>
> La 2008-12-30 10:51:23, alwis46 a scris:
>
> > Pai sa ne reamintim.
> > Presa bolsevica ne bombarda cu dezastruoasele scumpiri de 02-05% ale
> > preturilor de prin cele Americi si tari occidentale in contrapartida
> > cu minunatele si atat de beneficile reasezari de preturi ale
> > socialismului biruitor la sate si orase cand curentul electric
> > crestea de la un leu kilowatt-ul la 3 lei, cand carnea de porc
> > crestea de la 18 lei/kg la 37 lei si cand biletul de tramvai s efacea
> > 3 lei in loc de un leu.
> > Cam asa si acum...America si occidentul sunt intr-o groapa fara fund
> > in timp ce Rusia, Cuba, Coreea de Nord, Venezuela si alte tari ca ele
> > zburda pe pajistile progresului si fericirii fara sfarsit.
> >
> > La 2008-12-30 10:29:26, moroianu a scris:
> >
> > >
> > > ...si expert in stabilirea de ierarhii mondiale pe diverse
> > > planuri.
> > >
> > > In mod automat tabara pe care o slugareste el la un anumit
> > > moment al istoriei e cea mai puternica din lume, iar cealalta se afla
> > > intr-un declin inexorabiul si e amenintata cu disparitia, si anume nu
> > > orice fel de disparitie, ci una cat mai rusinoasa.
> > >
> > > Vezi colectiile ziarelor SCINTEIA, ROMANIA LIBERA si, desigur,
> > > arhiva forumului ZIUA!
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Evreu-rus din Rusia (...@yahoo.com, IP: 89.47.58...)
2008-12-30 14:06
Nu-ti mai scrie dorintele pe forum, Roy, ti-am mai atras atentia in repetate randuri

La 2008-12-30 13:09:52, roy a scris:

> 1) Nu am scris nicaieri ca situatzia din USA este foarte buna. Insa
> dintre cele doua tzari Rusia si America, parerea mea este ca
> situatzia din Rusia este mai proasta si ca are sanse sa cada mai
> zdravan decat America.

Rusia inca rezista destoinic (in ciuda gravelor probleme cu care se confrunta si pe care nu ma jenez sa le recunosc) insa SUA se afla deja in cadere libera, din "nefericire". Nu mai este mult pana cand va simti impactul dureros, care o va cutremura din toate incheieturile:
Dollar inevitably loses world reserve currency status
World’s largest companies working on the global currency market say that the US dollar can no longer be considered a quiet harbor at the height of the financial crisis. The US currency has hit its lowest level against the Japanese yen in 13 years and suffered the largest one-day slide against the euro after the Federal Reserve System reduced the targeted interest rate. The rate currently fluctuates from 0% to 0.25%, which makes it the lowest rate among world’s developed economies.
CMC Markets analysts say that the dollar has gloomy perspectives. Bloomberg reports that a report from State Street Global Markets describes the future of the American currency as ‘undermined.’ The downward movement of the US dollar is justifiable and will last for quite a long period of time, specialists of the London-based Standard Charted Bank Plc. believe.

The dollar has dropped against the yen to 87.13 yens per one US dollar, which marked the lowest index since 1995. However, the dollar strengthened its positions slightly afterwards as it rose to 87.75 yens. The US currency also dropped against the euro to 1.4495, which also marked the lowest index since September of the outgoing year before the dollar rose to 1.4410.

The dollar rate against the Russian ruble dropped by 10 kopecks yesterday and reached the level of 27.6 rubles per dollar. However, the euro skyrocketed against the ruble and set the new maximum in the history of trades on the Moscow Interbank Currency Exchange as it neared the level of 40 rubles per one euro.

The Fed’s decision to buy debt liabilities will weaken the dollar to 1.48 dollars per euro, Bank of America analysts say. The aggressive reduction of the rate will result in the growth of the dollar supplies on the world market, which will automatically undermine its cost.

The decision of the Federal Reserve System is dangerous for the dollar, because investors accumulated long-term positions in this currency hoping that the US dollar will grow, a report from State Street Global Markets ran.

The dollar thus loses the status of the world reserve currency. Will a new currency replace the dollar in the end?
http://english.pravda.ru/business/finance/19-12-2008/106850-dollar-0

In plus:
So long as the world accepts US dollars as money value, the US enjoys unique advantage as the sole printer of those dollars. The trick is to get the world to accept.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=ENG20061014&articleId=3482

alwis46 (...@yahoo.com, IP: 86.121.234...)
2008-12-30 16:13
Re: Nu-ti mai scrie dorintele pe forum, Roy, ti-am mai atras atentia in repetate randuri

Pai cu informatii de pe vremea cand dolarul era 27 de ruble vii ?
Pai bine mai acesta, vezi ca intre timp rubla a luat-o rau la vale in raport cu dolarul, o zice chiar agentia rusa de stiri ieri 29 dec. iar astazi 30 dec. a mai pierdut fo 15 kopeiki rubla lu' matale ca sa nu mai zic ca fata de postarea ta patriotica, moneda rusa a pierdut fo' doua ruble in fata dolarului:

http://en.rian.ru/business/20081229/119210803.html
http://en.rian.ru/business/20081230/119229451.html

De alea 10 trilioane de ruble, 340 miliarde dolari, pe care le pompeaza Putin sa mai atenueze prosperitatea sistemului financiar rusesc vad ca de cateva zile faci abstractie, nu-ti place ca fac muscalii tai ca americanosii ?

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20081229/119220817.html

Vad ca si cu bugetul sta tot asa de bine Maica Rusia :
http://en.rian.ru/business/20081227/119197315.html

Baga ceva cu necazurile americane vazute de agentia cubaneza de stiri .

Uite, ca sa-ti fac o placere, am selectat pentru tine din presa venezueleana :
http://www.theworldpress.com/press/worldpress/venezuelapress/venezuelaanalysis.htm



La 2008-12-30 14:06:34, Evreu-rus a scris:

> La 2008-12-30 13:09:52, roy a scris:
>
> > 1) Nu am scris nicaieri ca situatzia din USA este foarte buna. Insa
> > dintre cele doua tzari Rusia si America, parerea mea este ca
> > situatzia din Rusia este mai proasta si ca are sanse sa cada mai
> > zdravan decat America.
>
> Rusia inca rezista destoinic (in ciuda gravelor probleme cu care se
> confrunta si pe care nu ma jenez sa le recunosc) insa SUA se afla
> deja in cadere libera, din "nefericire". Nu mai este mult pana cand
> va simti impactul dureros, care o va cutremura din toate
> incheieturile:
> Dollar inevitably loses world reserve currency status
> World’s largest companies working on the global currency market
> say that the US dollar can no longer be considered a quiet harbor at
> the height of the financial crisis. The US currency has hit its
> lowest level against the Japanese yen in 13 years and suffered the
> largest one-day slide against the euro after the Federal Reserve
> System reduced the targeted interest rate. The rate currently
> fluctuates from 0% to 0.25%, which makes it the lowest rate among
> world’s developed economies.
> CMC Markets analysts say that the dollar has gloomy perspectives.
> Bloomberg reports that a report from State Street Global Markets
> describes the future of the American currency as
> ‘undermined.’ The downward movement of the US dollar is
> justifiable and will last for quite a long period of time,
> specialists of the London-based Standard Charted Bank Plc. believe.
>
> The dollar has dropped against the yen to 87.13 yens per one US
> dollar, which marked the lowest index since 1995. However, the dollar
> strengthened its positions slightly afterwards as it rose to 87.75
> yens. The US currency also dropped against the euro to 1.4495, which
> also marked the lowest index since September of the outgoing year
> before the dollar rose to 1.4410.
>
> The dollar rate against the Russian ruble dropped by 10 kopecks
> yesterday and reached the level of 27.6 rubles per dollar. However,
> the euro skyrocketed against the ruble and set the new maximum in the
> history of trades on the Moscow Interbank Currency Exchange as it
> neared the level of 40 rubles per one euro.
>
> The Fed’s decision to buy debt liabilities will weaken the
> dollar to 1.48 dollars per euro, Bank of America analysts say. The
> aggressive reduction of the rate will result in the growth of the
> dollar supplies on the world market, which will automatically
> undermine its cost.
>
> The decision of the Federal Reserve System is dangerous for the
> dollar, because investors accumulated long-term positions in this
> currency hoping that the US dollar will grow, a report from State
> Street Global Markets ran.
>
> The dollar thus loses the status of the world reserve currency. Will a
> new currency replace the dollar in the end?
> http://english.pravda.ru/business/finance/19-12-2008/106850-dollar-0
>
> In plus:
> So long as the world accepts US dollars as money value, the US enjoys
> unique advantage as the sole printer of those dollars. The trick is
> to get the world to accept.
> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=ENG20061014&articleId=3482
>

Ion Caramache (...@aol.com, IP: 64.12.116...)
2008-12-30 17:50
Re: Nu-ti mai scrie dorintele pe forum, Roy, ti-am mai atras atentia in repetate randuri

La 2008-12-30 14:06:34, Evreu-rus a scris:

>Nu-ti ma scrie dorintele pe forum. Roy, ti-am atras atentia in repetate rinduri

Evrusake, dormi in cizme !
Pai de ce vii cu stiri vechi si nu publici alea mai noi difuzate de Pravda ?
Evrusake, eu cred ca de fapt numele tau este Ahmed din Sanki Leninsburg, varu’ lui Bagdad Ali al lu’ Saddam Hussein care sustinea sus si tare ca americanii au fost anihilati de Garda respubicana atunci cind ei tocmai ocupasera Bagdadul.

Ui-te colea mai jos ce scria chiar Pravda, sursa ta sigura de informatii :


<<< Russia's Economic And Financial Meltdown Continues Apace

22.12.2008 Source: Pravda.Ru URL: http://english.pravda.ru/business/finance/106860-Russia_Economic_Financial_Meltd-0

By Edward Hugh

Russia's foreign-exchange reserves have been now been declining very rapidly since mid August, and as the money goes so does the faith that the large stock of reserves the country built up during the boom times would be sufficient to see them through any downturn in energy prices. As the money leaves, so it seems does the decade of economic growth and stability which they symbolised. Indeed so rapid has been the decline that Russia's international reserves, which are the third-biggest after those of China and Japan, have now fallen $161 billion, or 27% percent, since 8 August last, and decreased by $17.9 billion to $437 billion in the week to 5 December. Investors have now pulled $211 billion out of the country since August, according to estimates by BNP Paribas.

But just how difficult managing this process is proving to be was illustrated yet again this morning as Russia&#8217;s central bank found itself forced to accept a further devaluation in the ruble - for what is now the second time in a only a week - subsequent to which the ruble fell as much as 1.3 percent (to a four-year low of 37.5015 per euro) as Bank Rossii widened the trading band against the basket of dollars and euros used by the bank as the measure for attempting to manage the exchange rate.

Russia has now used some 27 percent of its reserves in these attempts to stem what has now become a 16 percent decline in the ruble following a 69 percent drop in the price of oil and last weeks decision by credit ratings agency Standard & Poor&#8217;s to cut its Russian credit rating on for the first time in nine years.

Thus over at Bank Rossii they have been having their work cut out "fexibilising" the trading band, and it this flexibilisation process that has now allowed the ruble to fall against its target exchange rate against a basket of currencies by 8.6 percent, down further from the 7.7 percent level facilitated last week and the 3.7 percent one of a month ago. Thus the currency has now fallen a net total of 5.9 percent against the basket in the series of six "adjustments" to the trading band implemented since 11 November. However this "slow and steady" approach to devaluation is creating uncertainty, as well as fomenting a loss of confidence with Russians withdrwaing a total of 6 percent from their ruble accounts in October alone, the fastest rate of withdrawal since Bank Rossii started collecting this data two years ago, while foreign currency deposits rose 11 percent. Thus instead of reinforcing confidence in the monetary regime, the slow, step-by-step adjustment of the nominal exchange rate may be perpetuating a steady stream of deposit withdrawals and dollar purchases, and some evidence for this can be found in November's 5.9 percent contraction in the money supply.

Apart from the financial turmoil, Russia's economy is really reeling under the weight of the sharp drop in crude prices, and the price of Urals crude, Russia's main export blend, is currently trading at around $44.13 a barrel, down 69 percent from the July peak, and well below the $70 average required to balance the country's 2009 budget.

GDP Growth Slowing Rapidly

It is hard to get a fix at the present time on what Russia's growth rate will look like in 2009, and estimates vary widely. Deutsche Bank recently cut its Russian growth forecast to 1 percent for next year, down from an earlier 3.4 percent, while the World Bank last month forceast a slowdown to 3 percent from what has been an average expansion of 7 percent a year since 1999. At the bottom end of the forecast range we have Oleg Vyugin, chairman of MDM Bank and a former central banker, who suggests the economy may contract by as much as 4% if the prices of raw materials exports do not recover. My own feeling is that the final figure may well be much nearer to Vyugin's estimate than to the World Bank one, especially if we don't get a strong rebound in commodity prices and given the sharp contraction in non-energy industrial output.

Analysts an OAO Sperbank have gone one step further and come up with two possible scenarios for possible impacts of the economic slump on property prices. For the first (or mild case) scenario they postulate a 2.5-3.5% growth in GDP, 11% inflation and a 30 ruble per dollar exchange rate in 2009. In this case, the bank anticipates a drop in Moscow real estate prices of 34.4% in ruble terms and 46.6% in dollars. On the second scenario GDP stagnates (or even contracts by up to 2.5%), there is higher inflation and an even larger devaluation of the ruble against the dollar. On this (worst) case scenario the Bank suggests that Moscow property prices would plummet by 38.1% in rubles and 59.6% in US dollars. You have been warned! >>>

P.S.
Nu-ti ma scrie dorintele pe forum. Evrusake, ti-am atras atentia in repetate rinduri. You have been warned!

Arogantu' din Pedelicii de Strinsura (...@k.ro, IP: 89.32.47...)
2008-12-30 21:11
Cum spuneam - ai fi meritat titlul de Doctor in Cauze Pierdute ! ndc


La 2008-12-30 10:29:26, moroianu a scris:

>
> ...si expert in stabilirea de ierarhii mondiale pe diverse
> planuri.
>
> In mod automat tabara pe care o slugareste el la un anumit
> moment al istoriei e cea mai puternica din lume, iar cealalta se afla
> intr-un declin inexorabiul si e amenintata cu disparitia, si anume nu
> orice fel de disparitie, ci una cat mai rusinoasa.
>
> Vezi colectiile ziarelor SCINTEIA, ROMANIA LIBERA si, desigur,
> arhiva forumului ZIUA!
>


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