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2008-12-23
Evreu-rus din Rusia (...@yahoo.com, IP: 89.47.58...)
2008-12-22 23:17
Prin urmare, alte zeci de suflete nevinovate vor cadea victime poftei de sange a sionistilor

Cateva pasaje din interviul dat de "canibalul" Ariel Sharon ziaristului israelian Amos Oz, in 1982:

(tradus in romana) "Chiar daca-mi veti dovedi prin mijloace matematice ca actualul razboi din Liban este un rzboi murdar si imoral, mie nu-mi pasa. Mai mult, chiar daca-mi veti dovedi ca nu am atins si nu voi atinge nici unul dintre scopurile noastre din Liban, ca nici nu vom crea un regim prietenos in Liban si nici nu-i vom distruge pe sirieni, sau chiar O.E.P., tot nu-mi pasa. Cu toate acestea, a meritat. Chiar daca Galileea va fi bombardata din nou de katiuse peste un an, mie putin imi pasa. Vom incepe un alt razboi, vom distruge tot mai mult si mai mult, pana ausa se sature.
Spuneti-mi, le e cumva greu railor din aceasta lume? Daca cineva incearca sa se atinga de ei, oamenii rai ii taie mainile si picioarele. Vaneaza si prind tot ceea ce li se pare comestibil. Nu sufera de indigestie si nu sunt pedepsiti de Ceruri. Vreau ca si Israelul sa se inscrie in acest club. Poate ca atunci lumea va incepe in sfarsit sa se teama de mine, in loc de a-mi mai plange de mila. Poate vor incepe sa tremure, sa se teama de nebunia mea, in loc de a-mi admira nobletea. Ii multumesc lui Dumnezeu pentru asta. N-au decat sa tremure, n-au decat sa ne declare un stat de nebuni. Sa le intre bine in cap ca suntyem o tara salbatica, periculoasa pentru cei din jur, ca nu suntem normali, ca putem innebuni daca unul dintre copiii nostri e omorat - numai unul. Ca putem porni sa dam foc tuturor campurilor petrolifere din OM. Sa le fie clar celor de la Washington, Moscova, Damasc si din Beinjing ca, daca unul dintre ambasadorii nostri e impuscat, sau macar un consul ori chiar si cel mai neinsemnat functionar al ambasadei, vom incepe al treilea razbou mondial cat ai zice peste.
Daca parintii vostri civilizati si cumsecade ar fi venit aici la timp si in loc de a scrie carti despre dragostea de oameni si de a canta "Asculta, O, Israel" in drum spre camerele de gazare, ar fi omorIt sase milioane de arabi aici, sau doar un milion, ce s-ar fi intamplat? Desigur, ar fi fost scrise vreo doua-trei pagini uracioase in cartile de istorie, am fi fost facuti cu ou si cu otet, dar am fi existat acum aici ca un popor de douazeci si cinci de milioane? Chiar si azi, sunt dispus sa ma ofer voluntar pentru orice treburi murdare in folosul Israelului, sa ucid oricat de multi arabi e necesar, sa-i deportez, sa-i expulzez, sa-i ard de vii, sa trag covorul de sub picioarele evreilor din diaspora ca sa-i oblig sa dea fuga la noi plangand. Chiar si daca asta inseamna sa arunc in aer vreo doua-trei sinagogi, pe ici, pe colo, putin imi pasa. Si nu ma deranjeaza daca, dupa ce mi-am facut treaba, ma traduceti in fata unui proces ca la Nurnberg si ma condamnati la inchisoare pe viata. Spanzuratima daca vreti, ca pe un criminal de razboi. Ceea ce nu intelegeti voi e ca treburile murdare ale sionismului inca nu s-au terminat, nici pe departe."

The interview of Ariel Sharon by Amos Oz
http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/ArielSharon.asp

Dan Petre (...@mailandnews.com, IP: 82.9.105...)
2008-12-22 23:25
Re: Prin urmare, alte zeci de suflete nevinovate vor cadea victime poftei de sange a sionistilor

La 2008-12-22 23:17:12, Evreu-rus a scris:

> Cateva pasaje din interviul dat de "canibalul" Ariel Sharon
> ziaristului israelian Amos Oz, in 1982:
>
.......
>
> The interview of Ariel Sharon by Amos Oz
> http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/ArielSharon.asp

ce e interesant la tine e ca dai traduceri sau texte in engleza. ma asteptam sa citesti rusa si ebraica.

neavind nici ip din rusia inseamna ca tu minti.

monel din israel (...@bezeqint.net, IP: 79.179.244...)
2008-12-22 23:28
Re: Prin urmare, alte zeci de suflete nevinovate vor cadea victime poftei de sange a sionistilor

La 2008-12-22 23:17:12, Evreu-rus a scris:

> Cateva pasaje din interviul dat de "canibalul" Ariel Sharon
> ziaristului israelian Amos Oz, in 1982:
>
> (tradus in romana) "Chiar daca-mi veti dovedi prin mijloace matematice
> ca actualul razboi din Liban este un rzboi murdar si imoral, mie nu-mi
> pasa. Mai mult, chiar daca-mi veti dovedi ca nu am atins si nu voi
> atinge nici unul dintre scopurile noastre din Liban, ca nici nu vom
> crea un regim prietenos in Liban si nici nu-i vom distruge pe
> sirieni, sau chiar O.E.P., tot nu-mi pasa. Cu toate acestea, a
> meritat. Chiar daca Galileea va fi bombardata din nou de katiuse
> peste un an, mie putin imi pasa. Vom incepe un alt razboi, vom
> distruge tot mai mult si mai mult, pana ausa se sature.
> Spuneti-mi, le e cumva greu railor din aceasta lume? Daca cineva
> incearca sa se atinga de ei, oamenii rai ii taie mainile si
> picioarele. Vaneaza si prind tot ceea ce li se pare comestibil. Nu
> sufera de indigestie si nu sunt pedepsiti de Ceruri. Vreau ca si
> Israelul sa se inscrie in acest club. Poate ca atunci lumea va incepe
> in sfarsit sa se teama de mine, in loc de a-mi mai plange de mila.
> Poate vor incepe sa tremure, sa se teama de nebunia mea, in loc de
> a-mi admira nobletea. Ii multumesc lui Dumnezeu pentru asta. N-au
> decat sa tremure, n-au decat sa ne declare un stat de nebuni. Sa le
> intre bine in cap ca suntyem o tara salbatica, periculoasa pentru cei
> din jur, ca nu suntem normali, ca putem innebuni daca unul dintre
> copiii nostri e omorat - numai unul. Ca putem porni sa dam foc
> tuturor campurilor petrolifere din OM. Sa le fie clar celor de la
> Washington, Moscova, Damasc si din Beinjing ca, daca unul dintre
> ambasadorii nostri e impuscat, sau macar un consul ori chiar si cel
> mai neinsemnat functionar al ambasadei, vom incepe al treilea razbou
> mondial cat ai zice peste.
> Daca parintii vostri civilizati si cumsecade ar fi venit aici la timp
> si in loc de a scrie carti despre dragostea de oameni si de a canta
> "Asculta, O, Israel" in drum spre camerele de gazare, ar fi omorIt
> sase milioane de arabi aici, sau doar un milion, ce s-ar fi
> intamplat? Desigur, ar fi fost scrise vreo doua-trei pagini uracioase
> in cartile de istorie, am fi fost facuti cu ou si cu otet, dar am fi
> existat acum aici ca un popor de douazeci si cinci de milioane? Chiar
> si azi, sunt dispus sa ma ofer voluntar pentru orice treburi murdare
> in folosul Israelului, sa ucid oricat de multi arabi e necesar, sa-i
> deportez, sa-i expulzez, sa-i ard de vii, sa trag covorul de sub
> picioarele evreilor din diaspora ca sa-i oblig sa dea fuga la noi
> plangand. Chiar si daca asta inseamna sa arunc in aer vreo doua-trei
> sinagogi, pe ici, pe colo, putin imi pasa. Si nu ma deranjeaza daca,
> dupa ce mi-am facut treaba, ma traduceti in fata unui proces ca la
> Nurnberg si ma condamnati la inchisoare pe viata. Spanzuratima daca
> vreti, ca pe un criminal de razboi. Ceea ce nu intelegeti voi e ca
> treburile murdare ale sionismului inca nu s-au terminat, nici pe
> departe."
>
> The interview of Ariel Sharon by Amos Oz
> http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/ArielSharon.asp
>
domnilor, dar ahmed asta e complect idiot si imbecil.
sharon a adormit inainte de razboiul din liban.probabil ca interwiul l-a dat din somn.
de unde scoate idiotul asta toate minciunile astea?

Evreu-rus din Rusia (...@yahoo.com, IP: 89.47.58...)
2008-12-22 23:34
Dle Dan Petre

La 2008-12-22 23:25:23, Dan Petre a scris:

> ce e interesant la tine e ca dai traduceri sau texte in engleza. ma
> asteptam sa citesti rusa si ebraica.
>
> neavind nici ip din rusia inseamna ca tu minti.

Interviul este accesibil numai pe lb engleza si germana. I-am facut o traducere in lb romana din engleza (germana nu cunosc), pe care o puteam face chiar si din rusa-daca il gaseam transcris in limba respectiva.
Din considerente care tin de securitate personala, nu am dorit sa am un IP din tara unde locuiesc (m-as fi expus nepermis de mult "binevoitorilor"). Prin urmare, am decis ca o "masca pe chip" este mai mult decat necesara-chiar vitala, as putea spune.

katty1 din Suedia (...@yahoo.se, IP: 83.254.194...)
2008-12-22 23:40
Re: Prin urmare, alte zeci de suflete nevinovate vor cadea victime poftei de sange a sionistilor

La 2008-12-22 23:28:54, monel a scris:

> La 2008-12-22 23:17:12, Evreu-rus a scris:
>
> > Cateva pasaje din interviul dat de "canibalul" Ariel Sharon
> > ziaristului israelian Amos Oz, in 1982:
> >
> > (tradus in romana) "Chiar daca-mi veti dovedi prin mijloace matematice
> > ca actualul razboi din Liban este un rzboi murdar si imoral, mie nu-mi
> > pasa. Mai mult, chiar daca-mi veti dovedi ca nu am atins si nu voi
> > atinge nici unul dintre scopurile noastre din Liban, ca nici nu vom
> > crea un regim prietenos in Liban si nici nu-i vom distruge pe
> > sirieni, sau chiar O.E.P., tot nu-mi pasa. Cu toate acestea, a
> > meritat. Chiar daca Galileea va fi bombardata din nou de katiuse
> > peste un an, mie putin imi pasa. Vom incepe un alt razboi, vom
> > distruge tot mai mult si mai mult, pana ausa se sature.
> > Spuneti-mi, le e cumva greu railor din aceasta lume? Daca cineva
> > incearca sa se atinga de ei, oamenii rai ii taie mainile si
> > picioarele. Vaneaza si prind tot ceea ce li se pare comestibil. Nu
> > sufera de indigestie si nu sunt pedepsiti de Ceruri. Vreau ca si
> > Israelul sa se inscrie in acest club. Poate ca atunci lumea va incepe
> > in sfarsit sa se teama de mine, in loc de a-mi mai plange de mila.
> > Poate vor incepe sa tremure, sa se teama de nebunia mea, in loc de
> > a-mi admira nobletea. Ii multumesc lui Dumnezeu pentru asta. N-au
> > decat sa tremure, n-au decat sa ne declare un stat de nebuni. Sa le
> > intre bine in cap ca suntyem o tara salbatica, periculoasa pentru cei
> > din jur, ca nu suntem normali, ca putem innebuni daca unul dintre
> > copiii nostri e omorat - numai unul. Ca putem porni sa dam foc
> > tuturor campurilor petrolifere din OM. Sa le fie clar celor de la
> > Washington, Moscova, Damasc si din Beinjing ca, daca unul dintre
> > ambasadorii nostri e impuscat, sau macar un consul ori chiar si cel
> > mai neinsemnat functionar al ambasadei, vom incepe al treilea razbou
> > mondial cat ai zice peste.
> > Daca parintii vostri civilizati si cumsecade ar fi venit aici la timp
> > si in loc de a scrie carti despre dragostea de oameni si de a canta
> > "Asculta, O, Israel" in drum spre camerele de gazare, ar fi omorIt
> > sase milioane de arabi aici, sau doar un milion, ce s-ar fi
> > intamplat? Desigur, ar fi fost scrise vreo doua-trei pagini uracioase
> > in cartile de istorie, am fi fost facuti cu ou si cu otet, dar am fi
> > existat acum aici ca un popor de douazeci si cinci de milioane? Chiar
> > si azi, sunt dispus sa ma ofer voluntar pentru orice treburi murdare
> > in folosul Israelului, sa ucid oricat de multi arabi e necesar, sa-i
> > deportez, sa-i expulzez, sa-i ard de vii, sa trag covorul de sub
> > picioarele evreilor din diaspora ca sa-i oblig sa dea fuga la noi
> > plangand. Chiar si daca asta inseamna sa arunc in aer vreo doua-trei
> > sinagogi, pe ici, pe colo, putin imi pasa. Si nu ma deranjeaza daca,
> > dupa ce mi-am facut treaba, ma traduceti in fata unui proces ca la
> > Nurnberg si ma condamnati la inchisoare pe viata. Spanzuratima daca
> > vreti, ca pe un criminal de razboi. Ceea ce nu intelegeti voi e ca
> > treburile murdare ale sionismului inca nu s-au terminat, nici pe
> > departe."
> >
> > The interview of Ariel Sharon by Amos Oz
> > http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/ArielSharon.asp
> >
> domnilor, dar ahmed asta e complect idiot si imbecil.
> sharon a adormit inainte de razboiul din liban.probabil ca interwiul
> l-a dat din somn.
> de unde scoate idiotul asta toate minciunile astea?
>


Cine zice "idiot" ala e, daca citeai ca lumea si nu te repezeai ca fata la maritat, ai fi vazut ca interviul era din 1982 de la alt razboi din Liban.

monel din israel (...@bezeqint.net, IP: 79.179.244...)
2008-12-22 23:41
Re: Prin urmare, alte zeci de suflete nevinovate vor cadea victime poftei de sange a sionistilor

La 2008-12-22 23:17:12, Evreu-rus a scris:

> Cateva pasaje din interviul dat de "canibalul" Ariel Sharon
> ziaristului israelian Amos Oz, in 1982:
>
> (tradus in romana) "Chiar daca-mi veti dovedi prin mijloace matematice
> ca actualul razboi din Liban este un rzboi murdar si imoral, mie nu-mi
> pasa. Mai mult, chiar daca-mi veti dovedi ca nu am atins si nu voi
> atinge nici unul dintre scopurile noastre din Liban, ca nici nu vom
> crea un regim prietenos in Liban si nici nu-i vom distruge pe
> sirieni, sau chiar O.E.P., tot nu-mi pasa. Cu toate acestea, a
> meritat. Chiar daca Galileea va fi bombardata din nou de katiuse
> peste un an, mie putin imi pasa. Vom incepe un alt razboi, vom
> distruge tot mai mult si mai mult, pana ausa se sature.
> Spuneti-mi, le e cumva greu railor din aceasta lume? Daca cineva
> incearca sa se atinga de ei, oamenii rai ii taie mainile si
> picioarele. Vaneaza si prind tot ceea ce li se pare comestibil. Nu
> sufera de indigestie si nu sunt pedepsiti de Ceruri. Vreau ca si
> Israelul sa se inscrie in acest club. Poate ca atunci lumea va incepe
> in sfarsit sa se teama de mine, in loc de a-mi mai plange de mila.
> Poate vor incepe sa tremure, sa se teama de nebunia mea, in loc de
> a-mi admira nobletea. Ii multumesc lui Dumnezeu pentru asta. N-au
> decat sa tremure, n-au decat sa ne declare un stat de nebuni. Sa le
> intre bine in cap ca suntyem o tara salbatica, periculoasa pentru cei
> din jur, ca nu suntem normali, ca putem innebuni daca unul dintre
> copiii nostri e omorat - numai unul. Ca putem porni sa dam foc
> tuturor campurilor petrolifere din OM. Sa le fie clar celor de la
> Washington, Moscova, Damasc si din Beinjing ca, daca unul dintre
> ambasadorii nostri e impuscat, sau macar un consul ori chiar si cel
> mai neinsemnat functionar al ambasadei, vom incepe al treilea razbou
> mondial cat ai zice peste.
> Daca parintii vostri civilizati si cumsecade ar fi venit aici la timp
> si in loc de a scrie carti despre dragostea de oameni si de a canta
> "Asculta, O, Israel" in drum spre camerele de gazare, ar fi omorIt
> sase milioane de arabi aici, sau doar un milion, ce s-ar fi
> intamplat? Desigur, ar fi fost scrise vreo doua-trei pagini uracioase
> in cartile de istorie, am fi fost facuti cu ou si cu otet, dar am fi
> existat acum aici ca un popor de douazeci si cinci de milioane? Chiar
> si azi, sunt dispus sa ma ofer voluntar pentru orice treburi murdare
> in folosul Israelului, sa ucid oricat de multi arabi e necesar, sa-i
> deportez, sa-i expulzez, sa-i ard de vii, sa trag covorul de sub
> picioarele evreilor din diaspora ca sa-i oblig sa dea fuga la noi
> plangand. Chiar si daca asta inseamna sa arunc in aer vreo doua-trei
> sinagogi, pe ici, pe colo, putin imi pasa. Si nu ma deranjeaza daca,
> dupa ce mi-am facut treaba, ma traduceti in fata unui proces ca la
> Nurnberg si ma condamnati la inchisoare pe viata. Spanzuratima daca
> vreti, ca pe un criminal de razboi. Ceea ce nu intelegeti voi e ca
> treburile murdare ale sionismului inca nu s-au terminat, nici pe
> departe."
>
> The interview of Ariel Sharon by Amos Oz
> http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/ArielSharon.asp
>
amos oz nu e ziarist ci scriitor.
si daca te inspiri din site-ul voice of palestine, ahmed, atunci situatia e clara.

Evreu-rus din Rusia (...@yahoo.com, IP: 89.47.58...)
2008-12-22 23:41
Nu-ti cunosti istoria propiei tari, dle Monal. RUSINE! RUSINE! RUSINE!

La 2008-12-22 23:28:54, monel a scris:

> domnilor, dar ahmed asta e complect idiot si imbecil.
> sharon a adormit inainte de razboiul din liban.probabil ca interwiul
> l-a dat din somn.
> de unde scoate idiotul asta toate minciunile astea?

In 1978 Israelul a decis sa ocupe sudul Libanului. 25 de mii de soldati evrei intra in Liban cu scopul declarat de a distruge OEP.
In incercarea Israelului de a dostruge OEP, peste 6000 de case ale libanezilor au fost distruse, bombardamentele provocand aproximativ 2000 de morti in randul populatiei civile. Din punct de vedere tactic Israelul a fost infrant, retragerea trupelor OEP spre centrul Libanului impiedicand victoria iteroristilor sionisti.
Retragerea israeliana are loc in iunie 1978, controlul fiind cedat Armatei Libanului de Sud, condusa de maiorul Saad Haddad, un ofiter renegat din cadrul armatei libaneze care si-a infiintat propriai militie.
In 1982 (anul in care interviul lui Sharon a fost luat), Israelul invadeaza din nou Libanului
Invazia numita "Operatiunea Pace in Galileea"- trupele isrealiene ajung pana in apropierea Beirutului.
In urma luptelor, membri OEP au fost nevoiti sa paraseasca Libanul, insa trupele armatele israeliene au ramas in aceasta zona pana la semnare tratatului de retragere a fortelor, in anul 2000.

Evreu-rus din Rusia (...@yahoo.com, IP: 89.47.58...)
2008-12-22 23:45
Re: Prin urmare, alte zeci de suflete nevinovate vor cadea victime poftei de sange a sionistilor

La 2008-12-22 23:41:19, monel a scris:


> amos oz nu e ziarist ci scriitor.
> si daca te inspiri din site-ul voice of palestine, ahmed, atunci
> situatia e clara.

Amos Oz (born May 4, 1939, birth name Amos Klausner) is an Israeli writer, novelist, and JOURNALIST (ziarist in traducere libera):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_Oz

contraevreu-rus (...@aol.com, IP: 208.104.167...)
2008-12-23 00:11
Re: Prin urmare, alte zeci de suflete nevinovate vor cadea victime poftei de sange a sionistilor

A aparut sharmuta lui Mohamed.




La 2008-12-22 23:40:38, katty1 a scris:

> La 2008-12-22 23:28:54, monel a scris:
>
> > La 2008-12-22 23:17:12, Evreu-rus a scris:
> >
> > > Cateva pasaje din interviul dat de "canibalul" Ariel Sharon
> > > ziaristului israelian Amos Oz, in 1982:
> > >
> > > (tradus in romana) "Chiar daca-mi veti dovedi prin mijloace matematice
> > > ca actualul razboi din Liban este un rzboi murdar si imoral, mie nu-mi
> > > pasa. Mai mult, chiar daca-mi veti dovedi ca nu am atins si nu voi
> > > atinge nici unul dintre scopurile noastre din Liban, ca nici nu vom
> > > crea un regim prietenos in Liban si nici nu-i vom distruge pe
> > > sirieni, sau chiar O.E.P., tot nu-mi pasa. Cu toate acestea, a
> > > meritat. Chiar daca Galileea va fi bombardata din nou de katiuse
> > > peste un an, mie putin imi pasa. Vom incepe un alt razboi, vom
> > > distruge tot mai mult si mai mult, pana ausa se sature.
> > > Spuneti-mi, le e cumva greu railor din aceasta lume? Daca cineva
> > > incearca sa se atinga de ei, oamenii rai ii taie mainile si
> > > picioarele. Vaneaza si prind tot ceea ce li se pare comestibil. Nu
> > > sufera de indigestie si nu sunt pedepsiti de Ceruri. Vreau ca si
> > > Israelul sa se inscrie in acest club. Poate ca atunci lumea va incepe
> > > in sfarsit sa se teama de mine, in loc de a-mi mai plange de mila.
> > > Poate vor incepe sa tremure, sa se teama de nebunia mea, in loc de
> > > a-mi admira nobletea. Ii multumesc lui Dumnezeu pentru asta. N-au
> > > decat sa tremure, n-au decat sa ne declare un stat de nebuni. Sa le
> > > intre bine in cap ca suntyem o tara salbatica, periculoasa pentru cei
> > > din jur, ca nu suntem normali, ca putem innebuni daca unul dintre
> > > copiii nostri e omorat - numai unul. Ca putem porni sa dam foc
> > > tuturor campurilor petrolifere din OM. Sa le fie clar celor de la
> > > Washington, Moscova, Damasc si din Beinjing ca, daca unul dintre
> > > ambasadorii nostri e impuscat, sau macar un consul ori chiar si cel
> > > mai neinsemnat functionar al ambasadei, vom incepe al treilea razbou
> > > mondial cat ai zice peste.
> > > Daca parintii vostri civilizati si cumsecade ar fi venit aici la timp
> > > si in loc de a scrie carti despre dragostea de oameni si de a canta
> > > "Asculta, O, Israel" in drum spre camerele de gazare, ar fi omorIt
> > > sase milioane de arabi aici, sau doar un milion, ce s-ar fi
> > > intamplat? Desigur, ar fi fost scrise vreo doua-trei pagini uracioase
> > > in cartile de istorie, am fi fost facuti cu ou si cu otet, dar am fi
> > > existat acum aici ca un popor de douazeci si cinci de milioane? Chiar
> > > si azi, sunt dispus sa ma ofer voluntar pentru orice treburi murdare
> > > in folosul Israelului, sa ucid oricat de multi arabi e necesar, sa-i
> > > deportez, sa-i expulzez, sa-i ard de vii, sa trag covorul de sub
> > > picioarele evreilor din diaspora ca sa-i oblig sa dea fuga la noi
> > > plangand. Chiar si daca asta inseamna sa arunc in aer vreo doua-trei
> > > sinagogi, pe ici, pe colo, putin imi pasa. Si nu ma deranjeaza daca,
> > > dupa ce mi-am facut treaba, ma traduceti in fata unui proces ca la
> > > Nurnberg si ma condamnati la inchisoare pe viata. Spanzuratima daca
> > > vreti, ca pe un criminal de razboi. Ceea ce nu intelegeti voi e ca
> > > treburile murdare ale sionismului inca nu s-au terminat, nici pe
> > > departe."
> > >
> > > The interview of Ariel Sharon by Amos Oz
> > > http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/ArielSharon.asp
> > >
> > domnilor, dar ahmed asta e complect idiot si imbecil.
> > sharon a adormit inainte de razboiul din liban.probabil ca interwiul
> > l-a dat din somn.
> > de unde scoate idiotul asta toate minciunile astea?
> >
>
>
> Cine zice "idiot" ala e, daca citeai ca lumea si nu te repezeai ca
> fata la maritat, ai fi vazut ca interviul era din 1982 de la alt
> razboi din Liban.
>

roy din secrapadeziua.blogspot.com (...@hotmail.com, IP: 213.8.118...)
2008-12-23 07:22
Re: Un fals interview

Amos Oz nu s-a intalnit niciodata cu Sharon si nu l-a intervievat.:

False Zionist Quote: Racist Statements Misattributed to Ariel Sharon

The following is an example of statements misquoted, taken out of context or otherwise manipulated to present a distorted view of Zionist intentions and actions. The misquotes are found in op-eds in campus newpapers and mainstream press as well as on anti-Israel websites.

MISQUOTES:

Attributed to Ariel Sharon, from an interview with Amos Oz, Davar, Dec. 17, 1982:

You can call me anything you like. Call me a monster or a murderer. . . . Better a live Judeo-Nazi than a dead saint.

Even if you prove to me that the present war in Lebanon is a dirty immoral war, I don't care. Even if Galilee is shelled again by Katyushas in a year's time, I don't really care. We shall start another war, kill and destroy more and more until they will have had enough.

Let them tremble, let them call us a mad state. Let them understand that we are a wild country, dangerous to our surroundings, not normal, that we might go crazy if one of our children is murdered, just one! If anyone even raises his hand against us we'll take away half his land and burn the other half, including the oil. We might use nuclear arms.

Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us…And I don't mind if after the job is done you put me in front of a Nurembarg Trial and then jail me for life. Hang me if you want, as a war criminal.

What you don't understand is that the dirty work of Zionism is not finished yet, far from it.

FACT:

Amos Oz never met nor interviewed Sharon. In fact, the so-called “interview” was a literary device taken from Oz's book “In the Land of Israel.” In the English version, the interviewee's identity is not revealed, and is referred to as Z (Flamingo/Fontana 1983).

Apparently, Palestinian propagandists substituted Sharon's name for Z in the Davar interview. The description of Z does not fit Sharon, and at one point Z refers to Sharon, Begin and General Eitan.

In a telephone conversation with journalist Holger Jensen, who had misattributed these quotes to Sharon, Amos Oz confirmed that he had never met nor interviewed Sharon. For more information on Holger Jensen's misuse of these quotes in the Denver Rocky Mountain News (“Obsessed Sharon applies brutal philosophy to advance Zionism,” April 13, 2002), read CAMERA's update on Holger Jensen's resignation.

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=7&x_issue=21&x_article=372


Ion Caramache (...@aol.com, IP: 205.188.116...)
2008-12-23 13:07
Re: Dle Dan Petre

La 2008-12-22 23:34:35, Evreu-rus a scris:

> Din considerente care tin de securitate personala, nu am dorit sa am
> un IP din tara unde locuiesc (m-as fi expus nepermis de mult
> "binevoitorilor"). Prin urmare, am decis ca o "masca pe chip" este
> mai mult decat necesara-chiar vitala, as putea spune.
>
Serios Evrusake?
Iti titiie fundu' de frica in Sanki Leninsburg din cauza "binevoitorilor" ?
Foarte interesant.....

Dan Petre (...@mailandnews.com, IP: 80.176.122...)
2008-12-23 13:33
Re: Dle Dan Petre

La 2008-12-22 23:34:35, Evreu-rus a scris:


> Din considerente care tin de securitate personala, nu am dorit sa am
> un IP din tara unde locuiesc (m-as fi expus nepermis de mult
> "binevoitorilor"). Prin urmare, am decis ca o "masca pe chip" este
> mai mult decat necesara-chiar vitala, as putea spune.

maninci un rahat frumos impodobit. ip-ul nu ti-l poti alege decit daca e proxy. si nu exista proxy la adresele tale.

si faci pe fricosul, in rusia. ti-e frica de cine?

Dan Petre (...@mailandnews.com, IP: 80.176.122...)
2008-12-23 13:36
Re: Dle Dan Petre

La 2008-12-23 13:33:13, Dan Petre a scris:

> La 2008-12-22 23:34:35, Evreu-rus a scris:
>
>
> > Din considerente care tin de securitate personala, nu am dorit sa am
> > un IP din tara unde locuiesc (m-as fi expus nepermis de mult

fi bun si afiseaza-te cu un ip din albania daca zici ca iti poti alege ip-ul.

puti rau de tot.

Evreu-rus din Rusia (...@yahoo.com, IP: 89.47.58...)
2008-12-23 14:47
Interviul luat lui Sharon de catre Amos Oz a existat, fie ca le place sau nu sionistilor acest lucru

La 2008-12-23 07:22:51, roy a scris:
Dezinformari, ca de obicei.

Si a fost publicat in cotidianul israelian Davar pe 17 decembrie 1982.

The Middle East is living a nightmare, notably because of a man of Russian origin who became Prime Minister of Israel: Ariel Sharon. What is the profound thought of this man? This is what Amos Oz, an Israeli writer, help us to discover through an interview published by the Israeli daily Davar in December 17, 1982.

Amos Oz reproduced this interview, with others, in his book in Hebrew, 1982: Amos Oz: Poh va-sham be-Erets-Yisra'el bi-setav, 1982, republished by Am Oved, Tel-Aviv, 1986. The interview is on pages 70-82. AMOS OZ DOES NOT MENTION THE NAME OF SHARON, BUT USES THE ABREVATION Z. THE FACTS GIVEN BY AMOS OZ INDICATE THAT THE PERSON INTERVIEWED IS ARIEL SHARON.
This book has been published in French: Amos Oz: Les voix d'Israal, translated by Guy Seniak, Calmann-Levy, Paris, 1983. The interview is on pages 79-91. Here again, Amos Oz does not mention the name of Sharon, but uses the abbreviation T. A French version is also produced in: Letter no 2 of FAITS ET DOCUMENTS, 3 September 2001: http://www.argent.fr/fetd2.htm. This interview was transmitted by Genie Trone - etrone@webtv.net -, member of a discussion group on Internet called Together, founded by the Israeli journalist Israel Shamir. In the introduction, it is said that the person interviewed is certainly Ariel Sharon.

The same book has been published in English: Amos Oz: In the Land of Israel, translated by Maurie Goldberg-Bartura, 1st Vintage Books Edition, New York, 1984. Here again, Amos Oz does not mention the name of Sharon, but uses the abbreviation C.

evreu mandru din israel din Israel (...@yahoo.com, IP: 84.109.87...)
2008-12-23 15:06
Re: Cine e Israel Shamir....

The biographical information given by Shamir has been questioned by others. Trotskyist Roland Rance, a British anti-Zionist Jew, has written that "his CV ... reads like a work of fantasy -... I don't believe a word of it." Rance mentions a number of other anti-Zionists who have also expressed doubts about Shamir's story and concludes that "Shamir is apparently a right-wing Russian journalist, who pretends to be an Israeli Jewish leftist." Rance claims that Shamir uses many aliases, including Schmerlin, Vassili Krasevsky and Jran Jermas.

In 2003, journalists working for Monitor in Norway and Expo in Sweden began to investigate Shamir's background. They discovered several anomalies. Whereas the CV suggested that he had worked for the BBC in London and later for Haaretz in Israel (and while stationed in Moscow), the journalists could only confirm that he had submitted a handful of freelance articles to Haaretz. They also discovered that he was a Swedish citizen since 1992, which wasn't mentioned in his CV, and that, according to the Swedish authorities, he had been living in Stockholm, Sweden during periods when he was supposed to be in Israel and Russia according to his CV.

In the early 1990s Shamir appears to have been based in Moscow, where he wrote several articles for Russian publications under the name "Robert David".

In an article from 1991 in the Jerusalem Post, Mikhail Agursky] reflected on what he saw as Shamir's double identity. According to Agursky, Shamir was associated with far-left groups in Israel and denounced Russian right-wing nationalists for being anti-Jewish. At the same time he became associated with anti-Zionist and anti-Jewish right-wing groups in Russia. Agursky recounted how Shamir, under the name "Robert David", had written an article for a Russian right-wing magazine denouncing Andrei Sakharov as a harmful Zionist agent. Agursky proceeded to give the following account of Shamir's background:

As Israel Shamir (Shmerling), he came to Israel in the late 1960s from Novosibirsk and soon became an extreme leftist. He acquired an excellent command of Hebrew and published many articles in Ha'aretz, Al Hamishmar, and also The Jerusalem Post. He was also a Knesset spokesman for Mapam for some time. At the end of 1980 he published a violent article against Russian nationalism in Ha'aretz, accusing supporters of Solzhenitsyn of being the Jewish people's worst enemies. What was not known to Mapam and to other Israeli leftists and liberals was that Shamir also had close contacts with the Western and Israeli right. Shamir now lives in Moscow under the name of Robert David; and, under his own name, he now loses no opportunity to claim that Zionists are the worst enemy of the Russian people, and to call Russian liberals Zionist agents.

According to an IPS story from August 14, 1992, Shamir was at that time associated with the group around Alexander Prokhanov and contributed to his extreme right-wing and antisemitic paper Dyen (spelled "Djim" in the IPS story). According to IPS, citing "Israeli sources", Shamir only "lived briefly in Israel", before returning to Russia.

When Dyen (meaning "day") was closed down by the Russian authorities, Prokhanov reopened it under the name Zavtra (meaning "tomorrow"). In recent years, Shamir has been a regular contributor, using the name "Israel Shamir".

Outside Russian right-wing circles, Shamir appears to have been little known until 2001, when he set up his website and changed his name to Jran Jermas.

According to the Swedish authorities, Shamir lived in Sweden from 1984 to 1993, when he emigrated to Russia. In 1998 he again became a permanent resident of Sweden, which he still remains. He became a Swedish citizen in 1992. According to the CV on Shamir's homepage, he lived in Israel from 1980 to 1989, in Russia from 1989 to 1993, and then again in Jaffa, Israel since 1993.



La 2008-12-23 14:47:39, Evreu-rus a scris:

by the Israeli journalist Israel Shamir.

Evreu-rus din Rusia (...@yahoo.com, IP: 89.47.58...)
2008-12-23 15:30
Re: Cine e Israel Shamir....

La 2008-12-23 15:06:14, evreu mandru din israel a scris:

> The biographical information given by Shamir has been questioned by
> others. Trotskyist Roland Rance, a British anti-Zionist Jew, has
> written that "his CV ... reads like a work of fantasy -... I don't
> believe a word of it." Rance mentions a number of other anti-Zionists
> who have also expressed doubts about Shamir's story and concludes that
> "Shamir is apparently a right-wing Russian journalist, who pretends to
> be an Israeli Jewish leftist." Rance claims that Shamir uses many
> aliases, including Schmerlin, Vassili Krasevsky and Jran Jermas.
>
> In 2003, journalists working for Monitor in Norway and Expo in Sweden
> began to investigate Shamir's background. They discovered several
> anomalies. Whereas the CV suggested that he had worked for the BBC in
> London and later for Haaretz in Israel (and while stationed in
> Moscow), the journalists could only confirm that he had submitted a
> handful of freelance articles to Haaretz. They also discovered that
> he was a Swedish citizen since 1992, which wasn't mentioned in his
> CV, and that, according to the Swedish authorities, he had been
> living in Stockholm, Sweden during periods when he was supposed to be
> in Israel and Russia according to his CV.
>
> In the early 1990s Shamir appears to have been based in Moscow, where
> he wrote several articles for Russian publications under the name
> "Robert David".
>
> In an article from 1991 in the Jerusalem Post, Mikhail Agursky]
> reflected on what he saw as Shamir's double identity. According to
> Agursky, Shamir was associated with far-left groups in Israel and
> denounced Russian right-wing nationalists for being anti-Jewish. At
> the same time he became associated with anti-Zionist and anti-Jewish
> right-wing groups in Russia. Agursky recounted how Shamir, under the
> name "Robert David", had written an article for a Russian right-wing
> magazine denouncing Andrei Sakharov as a harmful Zionist agent.
> Agursky proceeded to give the following account of Shamir's
> background:
>
> As Israel Shamir (Shmerling), he came to Israel in the late 1960s from
> Novosibirsk and soon became an extreme leftist. He acquired an
> excellent command of Hebrew and published many articles in Ha'aretz,
> Al Hamishmar, and also The Jerusalem Post. He was also a Knesset
> spokesman for Mapam for some time. At the end of 1980 he published a
> violent article against Russian nationalism in Ha'aretz, accusing
> supporters of Solzhenitsyn of being the Jewish people's worst
> enemies. What was not known to Mapam and to other Israeli leftists
> and liberals was that Shamir also had close contacts with the Western
> and Israeli right. Shamir now lives in Moscow under the name of Robert
> David; and, under his own name, he now loses no opportunity to claim
> that Zionists are the worst enemy of the Russian people, and to call
> Russian liberals Zionist agents.
>
> According to an IPS story from August 14, 1992, Shamir was at that
> time associated with the group around Alexander Prokhanov and
> contributed to his extreme right-wing and antisemitic paper Dyen
> (spelled "Djim" in the IPS story). According to IPS, citing "Israeli
> sources", Shamir only "lived briefly in Israel", before returning to
> Russia.
>
> When Dyen (meaning "day") was closed down by the Russian authorities,
> Prokhanov reopened it under the name Zavtra (meaning "tomorrow"). In
> recent years, Shamir has been a regular contributor, using the name
> "Israel Shamir".
>
> Outside Russian right-wing circles, Shamir appears to have been little
> known until 2001, when he set up his website and changed his name to
> Jran Jermas.
>
> According to the Swedish authorities, Shamir lived in Sweden from 1984
> to 1993, when he emigrated to Russia. In 1998 he again became a
> permanent resident of Sweden, which he still remains. He became a
> Swedish citizen in 1992. According to the CV on Shamir's homepage, he
> lived in Israel from 1980 to 1989, in Russia from 1989 to 1993, and
> then again in Jaffa, Israel since 1993.

Israel Shamir is a critically acclaimed and respected Russian Israeli writer. He has written extensively and translated Joyce and Homer into Russian. He lives in Jaffa, is a Christian, and an outspoken critic of Israel and Zionism.

Un site al acestei personalitati marcante a intelectualitatii evreiesti:
http://www.israelshamir.net/
In anumite parti, ma identific cu dl Shamir:
Why I Support The Return of Palestinians
http://shamir.mediamonitors.net/
Extrase: "Palestina nu este un obiect mort, este o tara vie. Palestinienii sunt sufletul ei. Palestina este ceea ce palestinienii recreaza tot timpul, asa cum Franta este ceea ce francezii creaza si recreaza in fiecare zi."
"Sa rupem in bucati Declaratia de falsa Independenta a Israelului, si sa scriem alta, de dependenta si dragoste mutuala."

Israel Shamir este un scriitor elocvent, cu o bogata experienta si o viziune larga. A cristalizat "problema evreiasca" si a indicat cauza antisemitismului, care este notiunea de Popor Ales, pe care evreii o utilizeaza in principal in dauna "tuturor celorlalte natiuni, rase si religii".

evreu mandru din israel din Israel (...@yahoo.com, IP: 84.109.87...)
2008-12-23 17:40
Re: Un mincinos....

despre unul mai mare...


La 2008-12-23 15:30:25, Evreu-rus a scris:


> Israel Shamir is a critically acclaimed and respected Russian Israeli
> writer. He has written extensively and translated Joyce and Homer
> into Russian. He lives in Jaffa, is a Christian, and an outspoken
> critic of Israel and Zionism.
>
> Un site al acestei personalitati marcante a intelectualitatii
> evreiesti:
> http://www.israelshamir.net/
> In anumite parti, ma identific cu dl Shamir:
> Why I Support The Return of Palestinians
> http://shamir.mediamonitors.net/
> Extrase: "Palestina nu este un obiect mort, este o tara vie.
> Palestinienii sunt sufletul ei. Palestina este ceea ce palestinienii
> recreaza tot timpul, asa cum Franta este ceea ce francezii creaza si
> recreaza in fiecare zi."
> "Sa rupem in bucati Declaratia de falsa Independenta a Israelului, si
> sa scriem alta, de dependenta si dragoste mutuala."
>
> Israel Shamir este un scriitor elocvent, cu o bogata experienta si o
> viziune larga. A cristalizat "problema evreiasca" si a indicat cauza
> antisemitismului, care este notiunea de Popor Ales, pe care evreii o
> utilizeaza in principal in dauna "tuturor celorlalte natiuni, rase si
> religii".
>
n

contraevreu-rus (...@aol.com, IP: 208.104.167...)
2008-12-23 21:08
Re: Cine e Israel Shamir....

ce intrebare ,inca nu sti raspunsul,Shamir este un impostor la fel ca Ahmed evreul-ruSS,de unde vrei sa capete toate informatiile false daca nu din siteuri antisemite propagandiste,va bateti cu morile de vant cu acest psihopat.




La 2008-12-23 15:06:14, evreu mandru din israel a scris:

> The biographical information given by Shamir has been questioned by
> others. Trotskyist Roland Rance, a British anti-Zionist Jew, has
> written that "his CV ... reads like a work of fantasy -... I don't
> believe a word of it." Rance mentions a number of other anti-Zionists
> who have also expressed doubts about Shamir's story and concludes that
> "Shamir is apparently a right-wing Russian journalist, who pretends to
> be an Israeli Jewish leftist." Rance claims that Shamir uses many
> aliases, including Schmerlin, Vassili Krasevsky and Jran Jermas.
>
> In 2003, journalists working for Monitor in Norway and Expo in Sweden
> began to investigate Shamir's background. They discovered several
> anomalies. Whereas the CV suggested that he had worked for the BBC in
> London and later for Haaretz in Israel (and while stationed in
> Moscow), the journalists could only confirm that he had submitted a
> handful of freelance articles to Haaretz. They also discovered that
> he was a Swedish citizen since 1992, which wasn't mentioned in his
> CV, and that, according to the Swedish authorities, he had been
> living in Stockholm, Sweden during periods when he was supposed to be
> in Israel and Russia according to his CV.
>
> In the early 1990s Shamir appears to have been based in Moscow, where
> he wrote several articles for Russian publications under the name
> "Robert David".
>
> In an article from 1991 in the Jerusalem Post, Mikhail Agursky]
> reflected on what he saw as Shamir's double identity. According to
> Agursky, Shamir was associated with far-left groups in Israel and
> denounced Russian right-wing nationalists for being anti-Jewish. At
> the same time he became associated with anti-Zionist and anti-Jewish
> right-wing groups in Russia. Agursky recounted how Shamir, under the
> name "Robert David", had written an article for a Russian right-wing
> magazine denouncing Andrei Sakharov as a harmful Zionist agent.
> Agursky proceeded to give the following account of Shamir's
> background:
>
> As Israel Shamir (Shmerling), he came to Israel in the late 1960s from
> Novosibirsk and soon became an extreme leftist. He acquired an
> excellent command of Hebrew and published many articles in Ha'aretz,
> Al Hamishmar, and also The Jerusalem Post. He was also a Knesset
> spokesman for Mapam for some time. At the end of 1980 he published a
> violent article against Russian nationalism in Ha'aretz, accusing
> supporters of Solzhenitsyn of being the Jewish people's worst
> enemies. What was not known to Mapam and to other Israeli leftists
> and liberals was that Shamir also had close contacts with the Western
> and Israeli right. Shamir now lives in Moscow under the name of Robert
> David; and, under his own name, he now loses no opportunity to claim
> that Zionists are the worst enemy of the Russian people, and to call
> Russian liberals Zionist agents.
>
> According to an IPS story from August 14, 1992, Shamir was at that
> time associated with the group around Alexander Prokhanov and
> contributed to his extreme right-wing and antisemitic paper Dyen
> (spelled "Djim" in the IPS story). According to IPS, citing "Israeli
> sources", Shamir only "lived briefly in Israel", before returning to
> Russia.
>
> When Dyen (meaning "day") was closed down by the Russian authorities,
> Prokhanov reopened it under the name Zavtra (meaning "tomorrow"). In
> recent years, Shamir has been a regular contributor, using the name
> "Israel Shamir".
>
> Outside Russian right-wing circles, Shamir appears to have been little
> known until 2001, when he set up his website and changed his name to
> Jran Jermas.
>
> According to the Swedish authorities, Shamir lived in Sweden from 1984
> to 1993, when he emigrated to Russia. In 1998 he again became a
> permanent resident of Sweden, which he still remains. He became a
> Swedish citizen in 1992. According to the CV on Shamir's homepage, he
> lived in Israel from 1980 to 1989, in Russia from 1989 to 1993, and
> then again in Jaffa, Israel since 1993.
>
>
>
> La 2008-12-23 14:47:39, Evreu-rus a scris:
>
> by the Israeli journalist Israel Shamir.
>


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