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2008-06-05

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Tudor190
2008-06-04 23:10:01

Sanatatea o afacere prospera

Medicina nu se mai multumeste sa vindece bolnavi si a facut un pas urias pentru afaceri dar vai unul nesemnificativ pentru omenire si de ceva vreme previne imbolnavirile (statistic este invers datorita noilor boli iatrogene/cauzate de insasi actul medical) si chiar prelungeste viata (leguma dependenta) si simplifica moartea (pat de spital, conectat la aparate ultramoderne).

Eufrosin
2008-06-04 23:14:19

Au lipsit vaccinatorii!

Unde-au fost reprezentantii bufnitei criminale Allbright, ca sa impinga Gardasilul , sau cum ii spun la noi, Silgard ??!

http://nuvaccinurilor.blogspot.com/

HERUT
2008-06-04 23:25:44

Re: Sanatatea o afacere prospera

La 2008-06-04 23:10:01, Tudor190 a scris:



"""""""""""""""""""Medicina nu se mai multumeste sa vindece bolnavi si a facut un pas urias pentru afaceri dar vai unul nesemnificativ pentru omenire si de ceva vreme previne imbolnavirile (statistic este invers datorita noilor boli iatrogene/cauzate de insasi actul medical) si chiar prelungeste viata (leguma dependenta) si simplifica moartea (pat de spital, conectat la aparate ultramoderne).""""""""""""""""""""""


In femei si in doctori sa nu ai incredere niciodata, Tudorica, tata ! Dar mai ales in doftori. Medicina a luat-o pe aratura rau de tot. La ora actuala medicina nu mai vindeca, tata, cum bine zisesi tu acileasa, ci , mai mult mentine bolnavul intr-o "agonie", din care doctorii fac o "agoniseala". Uita-te la lil, spre igzamplu ! Tinerica, frumusica, si ... doctorita ! Taman de-andoaselea ! Desi, daca stau bine si ma gindesc, cu doctorite ca lil, nu mai e nevoie de medicamente ! E de-ajuns sa le faca "frectii" la bolnavi si acestia-si vor reveni ca din morti ! Pa cuvint !

Tudor190
2008-06-05 00:11:47

Re: Sanatatea o afacere prospera

La 2008-06-04 23:25:44, HERUT a scris:

> Medicina a luat-o pe aratura rau de tot.

Dupa Ivan Illich (Nemesis medicale. L'expropriation de la sante) medicina a facut o turnura gresita in Italia la Universiataea din Bolonia prin secolul al XII-lea cind s-a separat de teologie, filozofie si drept, devenint o institutie de sine statatore. De atunci au aparut citeva zeci de specializari medicale mai mult sau mai putin de sine statatoare.

Tot el mai spune ca acum medicina i-a facut pe oameni sa creada ca sanatatea este precum automobilul: cu cit o duci mai des la garaj/spital cu atit functioneaza mai bine.

http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/1999/03/ILLICH/11802.html

HERUT
2008-06-05 00:29:22

Re: Sanatatea o afacere prospera

La 2008-06-05 00:11:47, Tudor190 a scris:



"""""""""""""""Dupa Ivan Illich (Nemesis medicale. L'expropriation de la sante) medicina a facut o turnura gresita in Italia la Universiataea din Bolonia prin secolul al XII-lea cind s-a separat de teologie, filozofie si drept, devenint o institutie de sine statatore. De atunci au aparut citeva zeci de specializari medicale mai mult sau mai putin de sine statatoare. """""""""""""""""



Ia uita-te, domnule ! Interesant. Habar n-aveam de chestia asta. Multumesc, nene Tudorica. Esti pe cai mari, vericule ! Tine-o tot asa !

Olga Khan
2008-06-05 00:30:32

Sanatate cu make-up?

Credeam ca le-a invatat cum sa foloseasca sapunul, cum se dezinfecteaza toate alea prin casa: clante, usi, robinete si cu ce trage apa la wc-u!!! ce sint atinse dupa ce au folosit wc-ul !!!!
Ca nu se foloseste "carpa" de spalat vase!!! si multe altele de la care se imbolnavesc copiii ca mamele habar n-au.
Ca nu se tine mancarea pe geam sa moara vecinii de ciuda cate cratite ai cu bucatele pentru toata saptamina ...
Astea-s chestii de sanatate cu ruj de buze si paduchi de lemn .....

Imi aduc aminte, soacra lui sora mea mereu voia sa-mi ofere mancare stricata de pe geam, de pomana ...... Am intrebat-o de ce nu mi-a oferit cand a facut mancarea, cu o saptamana inainte, atunci nu s-ar fi stricat, era mancat cu pofta.
Inca ea s-a suparat ... :-((( dar eu nu maninc din farfuria mortilor .........

california
2008-06-05 05:42:25

Re: Sanatate cu make-up?

Tu esti funny, dar eu n-am vazut mancare tinuta pe geam decat la studenti, in camine, iarna, cand aduceam mai multe de acasa profitand ca avem frigider natural.

In rest, lumea stie acum 101-ul, au trecut si ei la calculus.


La 2008-06-05 00:30:32, Olga Khan a scris:

> Credeam ca le-a invatat cum sa foloseasca sapunul, cum se
> dezinfecteaza toate alea prin casa: clante, usi, robinete si cu ce
> trage apa la wc-u!!! ce sint atinse dupa ce au folosit wc-ul !!!!
> Ca nu se foloseste "carpa" de spalat vase!!! si multe altele de la
> care se imbolnavesc copiii ca mamele habar n-au.
> Ca nu se tine mancarea pe geam sa moara vecinii de ciuda cate cratite
> ai cu bucatele pentru toata saptamina ...
> Astea-s chestii de sanatate cu ruj de buze si paduchi de lemn .....
>
> Imi aduc aminte, soacra lui sora mea mereu voia sa-mi ofere mancare
> stricata de pe geam, de pomana ...... Am intrebat-o de ce nu mi-a
> oferit cand a facut mancarea, cu o saptamana inainte, atunci nu s-ar
> fi stricat, era mancat cu pofta.
> Inca ea s-a suparat ... :-((( dar eu nu maninc din farfuria mortilor
> .........
>

Tudor190
2008-06-05 15:44:13

Sper sa va placa

"Health designates a process of adaptation. It is not the result of instinct, but of an autonomous yet culturally shaped reaction to socially created reality. It designates the ability to adapt to changing environments, to growing up and to ageing, to healing when damaged, to suffering, and to the peaceful expectation of death. Health embraces the future as well, and therefore includes anguish and the inner resources to live with it.

Health designates a process by which each person is responsible, but only in part responsible to others. To be responsible may mean two things. A man is responsible for what he has done, and responsible to another person or group. Only when he feels subjectively responsible or answerable to another person will the consequences of his failure be not criticism, censure, or punishment but regret, remorse, and true repentance. The consequent states of grief and distress are marks of recovery and healing, and are phenomenologically something entirely different from guilt feelings. Health is a task, and as such is not comparable to the physiological balance of beasts. Success in this
personal task is in large part the result of the self-awareness, self-discipline, and inner resources by which each person regulates his own daily rhythm and actions, his diet, and his sexual activity.

Knowledge encompassing desirable activities, competent performance, the commitment to enhance health in others - these are all learned from the example of peers or elders. These personal activities are shaped and conditioned by the culture in which the individual grows up: patterns of work and leisure, of celebration and sleep, of production and preparation of food and drink, of family relations and politics. Long-tested health patterns that fit a geographic area and a certain technical situation depend to a large extent on long-lasting political autonomy. They depend on the spread of responsibility for health habits and for the socio-biological environment. That is, they depend on the dynamic stability of a culture.

The level of public health corresponds to the degree to which the means and responsibility for coping with illness are distributed among the total population. This ability to cope can be enhanced but never replaced by medical intervention or by the hygienic characteristics of the environment. That society which can reduce professional intervention to the minimum will provide the best conditions for health. The greater the potential for autonomous adaptation to self, to others, and to the environment, the less management of adaptation will be needed or tolerated.
A world of optimal and widespread health is obviously a world of minimal and only occasional medical intervention. Healthy people are those who live in healthy homes on a healthy diet in an environment equally fit for birth, growth, work, healing, and dying; they are sustained by a culture that enhances the conscious acceptance of limits to population, of ageing, of incomplete recovery and ever-imminent death. Healthy people need minimal bureaucratic interference to mate, give birth, share the human condition, and die.
Man's consciously lived fragility, individuality, and relatedness make the experience of pain, of sickness, and of death an integral part of his life. The ability to cope with this trio autonomously is fundamental to his health. As he becomes dependent on the management of his intimacy, he renounces his autonomy and his health must decline. The true miracle of modern medicine is diabolical. It consists in making not only individuals but whole populations survive on inhumanly low levels of personal health. Medical nemesis is the negative feedback of a social organization that set out to improve and equalize the opportunity for each man to cope in autonomy and ended by destroying it."

Ivan Illich, Nemesis medicale. L'expropriation de la sante (versiunea engleza)

Tudor190
2008-06-05 16:33:18

Toate-s vechi si noua toate; Ce e rau si ce e bine; Tu te-ntreaba si socoate

Nimic nou sub soare. Din Faust/Goethe (traducerea Lucian Blaga). Atentie la ultimele 8 versuri:

"Inca vreo citiva pasi pina la piatra.
Aici ne odihnim, unde-n atitea rinduri
Am poposit muncit de ginduri.
Dedatu-m-am aici si postului si rugaciunii.
Plin de nadejde, cu credinta, cu suspine,
Cu lacrimi, am crezut sa pot obtine
De la cerescul Domn sfirsitul ciumii.
Batjocura imi par aplauzele cu care unii
Ma-ntimpina. O, de-ai vedea in mine!
Ai intelege-atunci cit de putine
Sint meritele tatalui si ale mele.
Om onorabil a fost tata, dar intunecat
Asupra firii si a sfintelor arcane(1)
Gindea, nu necinstit, dar intr-un fel ciudat,
Cu grele osteneli, de vrei, insa cam apucat.
Se inchidea, cu-ceata lui de-adepti,
In neagra lui bucatatrie si gatea pe indelete,
Unea contrarii, dupa lungi retete.
Un rosu-leu(2) cu crinul alb(3) se logodea
In blinda si domoala baie, zilnic.
Apoi imperecheati in flacara, cei doi
Trecuti erau dintr-un alcov(4) in altul, silnic.
Cind intr-un foc de aprige culori
Craisa tinara se alegea in zori,
Medicamentul era gata. Oamenii mureau.
Dar nimeni nu-ntreba: se face vreunul sanatos?
Astfel cu infernale tertipuri
Prapad facuram prin aceste vai, mai fioros
Decit facuse ciuma. Insumi dat-am din otrava
La mii de oameni. Toti s-au stins.
Si-acum vazusi, cum sintem ridicati in slava,
Noi, noi netrebnicii si ucigasii!

(1)arcane, in alchimie taine ale naturii.
(2)rosu-leu, in alchimie oxid rosu de mercur
(3)crinul alb, in alchimie acid clorhidric
(4)alcov, in alchimie retorta"

Mos Grigore
2008-06-05 18:31:55

Unde gasishi Coana Eufrosino site-ul ala de SEMIDOCTZI IMBECILI?

sa rizi si Koo Kooroo ce imbecilitatzi pot scrie aia............................




La 2008-06-04 23:14:19, Eufrosin a scris:

> Unde-au fost reprezentantii bufnitei criminale Allbright, ca sa
> impinga Gardasilul , sau cum ii spun la noi, Silgard ??!
>
> http://nuvaccinurilor.blogspot.com/
>


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