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2006-08-03

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moroianu
2006-08-03 01:54:16

Articol interesant si destul de echilibrat ca abordare...


... in care cele trei intrebari din final (pe care chiar si prietenii Israelului sunt, probabil, nevoiti sa si le puna sotto voce) demonstreaza ca intr-adevar autorul personal nu acorda vreun "cec in alb" Israelului, in ciuda titlului care parea sa-l anunte.

Mi se pare totusi ca domnul Andreescu trece prea usor peste doua aspecte importante:

1. Faptul ca interventia pentru stoparea purificarii etnice din Kosovo a avut loc in cadrul NATO, deci nu printr-o actiune unilaterala a SUA. (Oricat ar vedea d-na Munteanu efectul "presiunilor" americane in declansarea actiunii respective, e clar ca aici se vede deosebirea de stil si de "filosofie" a relatiilor externe dintre administratiile Clinton si Bush.) Din acest motiv, paralela dintre rolurile jucate de SUA in cele doua conflicte este departe de a functiona asa cum ni se sugereaza.

2. Problemei faimosului "cec in alb" acordat Israelului de politica actualei administratii, este amintita in scurta recapitulare critica a tezelor din articolul d-nei Munteanu, dar nu mai este reluata (cu atat mai putin dusa pana la vreo concluzie pozitiva sau negativa) in restul articolului. Or ideea respectiva, evident, nu-i apartine ziaristei in chestiune, ci reprezinta principalul repros pe care arabii il aduc de mult politicii administratiei Bush in Orientul Mijlociu - deci nu poate fi nicidecum eludata intr-o analiza obiectiva a contextului diplomatic global al actualului conflict.

Si orice observator impartial isi poate pune in mod inevitabil intrebarea: Daca "cecul" respectiv nu exista in realitate, de unde atunci deosebirea fundamentala de atitudine dintre SUA + aliatul ei englez pe de o parte, si restul statelor EU - mi se pare, cu exceptia Poloniei si a Cehiei - in problema unei incetari imediate a focului in Liban?

(Aici ca si in atatea alte cazuri, urmarile nefaste ale interventiei contrare dreptului international in Irak continua sa-si arunce umbra extrem de nociva aspra mecanismelor, altadata perfect functionale, ale consultarilor si colaborarii dintre cele doua maluri ale Atlanticului.)

frinaru
2006-08-03 03:15:41

Nu pierdetzi timpul cu cititul acestor "BAZACONII".

D-le G Andreescu,te pot anuntza ca doamna Miruna Munteanu este o "DOAMNA"in adevaratul sens al cuvintului.Calitatea articolelor semnate de dinsa sint "NET"superioare,atit ca analiza cit si ca prezentare. Probabil esti invidios pe EA si datorita "orgoliului "tau,nu ai putut sa mai rezisti .Nu te supara,sint lucruri "elementare",in care nu poti face deosebiri.Nu stiu ce "nota" prime-ai la "geografie si istorie",dar cred ca ,abia insumindu-le i-ti dadea amaritul de 5 de trecere.
Cum poti explica "STATUL EVREU" ,sau poate ai vrut sa spui "statul Israel",care este cu totul altceva.Eu nu am auzit de "statul evreu",cum nu am auzit nici de "state "CRESHTINE ,MUSULMANE,HINDUSE etc.
RECOMANDARE,apuca-te si scrie despre "bivolari si ciocioline",acolo cel putin esti de "specialitate".

Raquel
2006-08-03 04:50:44

moare de invidie ca Miruna e mai buna si mai citita decat el !

daca au inceput sa se atace intre ei, sa-si critice unii altora articolele, e semn ca nu vor sa vada ceea ce se intampla cu adevarat catastrofal in "viata reala". Nu vor sau nu le convine sa-si arunce privirea si sa vada ca societatea romaneasca sufera in continuare de toate bolile care au macinat-o in ultimii 16 ani, nu lipseste una de la inventar ! Ba unele chiar s-au agravat si au facut metastaze, dar asta pare sa nu-i impresioneze pe cei care nu vor sa vada realitatea si isi gasesc subiectele articolelor in pretinsele greseli ale colegilor de redactie.

March
2006-08-03 09:04:33

Re: Nu pierdetzi timpul cu cititul acestor "BAZACONII"..../ Lasa-te de... frane, bre !!

March
2006-08-03 09:07:05

Domn' Andreescu, io i-am sugerat odata aici lui Miruna sa scrie o cronica monden ! Va avea in mod sigur mai mult...

...succes.

CHIORU
2006-08-03 10:08:43

dle Andreescu sunt de acord cu dvs - cu o exceptie:

mataluta nu esti asa de frumos ca miruna.

evreu mandru din israel
2006-08-03 10:59:54

Discursul lui Olmert - 31 July 2006


Ladies and gentlemen, leaders of the world. I, the Prime Minister of Israel, am speaking to you from Jerusalem in the face of the terrible pictures from Kfar Kana. Any human heart, wherever it is, must sicken and recoil at the sight of such pictures. There are no words of comfort that can mitigate the enormity of this tragedy. Still, I am looking you straight in the eye and telling you that the State of Israel will continue its military campaign in Lebanon.

The Israel Defense Forces will continue to attack targets from which missiles and Katyusha rockets are fired at hospitals, old age homes and kindergartens in Israel. I have instructed the security forces and the IDF to continue to hunt for the Katyusha stockpiles and launch sites from which these savages are bombarding the State of Israel.

We will not hesitate, we will not apologize and we will not back off. If they continue to launch missiles into Israel from Kfar Kana, we will continue to bomb Kfar Kana. Today, tomorrow and the day after tomorrow. Here, there and everywhere. The children of Kfar Kana could now be sleeping peacefully in their homes, unmolested, had the agents of the devil not taken over their land and turned the lives of our children into hell.

Ladies and gentlemen, it's time you understood: the Jewish state will no longer be trampled upon. We will no longer allow anyone to exploit population centers in order to bomb our citizens. No one will be able to hide anymore behind women and children in order to kill our women and children. This anarchy is over. You can condemn us, you can boycott us, you can stop visiting us and, if necessary, we will stop visiting you.


A voice for six million citizens


Today I am serving as the voice of six million bombarded Israeli citizens who serve as the voice of six million murdered Jews who were melted down to dust and ashes by savages in Europe. In both cases, those responsible for these evil acts were, and are, barbarians devoid of all humanity, who set themselves one simple goal: to wipe the Jewish race off the face of the earth, as Adolph Hitler said, or to wipe the State of Israel off the map, as Mahmoud Ahmedinjad proclaims.

And you - just as you did not take those words seriously then, you are ignoring them again now. And that, ladies and gentlemen, leaders of the world, will not happen again. Never again will we wait for bombs that never came to hit the gas chambers. Never again will we wait for salvation that never arrives. Now we have our own air force. The Jewish people are now capable of standing up to those who seek their destruction - those people will no longer be able to hide behind women and children. They will no longer be able to evade their responsibility.

Every place from which a Katyusha is fired into the State of Israel will be a legitimate target for us to attack. This must be stated clearly and publicly, once and for all. You are welcome to judge us, to ostracize us, to boycott us and to vilify us. But to kill us? Absolutely not.

Four months ago I was elected by hundreds of thousands of citizens to the office of Prime Minister of the government of Israel, on the basis of my plan for unilaterally withdrawing from 90 percent of the areas of Judea and Samaria, the birth place and cradle of the Jewish people; to end most of the occupation and to enable the Palestinian people to turn over a new leaf and to calm things down until conditions are ripe for attaining a permanent settlement between us.

The Prime Minister who preceded me, Ariel Sharon, made a full withdrawal from the Gaza Strip back to the international border, and gave the Palestinians there a chance to build a new reality for themselves. The Prime Minister who preceded him, Ehud Barak, ended the lengthy Israeli presence in Lebanon and pulled the IDF back to the international border, leaving the land of the cedars to flourish, develop and establish its democracy and its economy.

What did the State of Israel get in exchange for all of this? Did we win even one minute of quiet? Was our hand, outstretched in peace, met with a handshake of encouragement? Ehud Barak's peace initiative at Camp David let loose on us a wave of suicide bombers who smashed and blew to pieces over 1,000 citizens, men, women and children. I don't remember you being so enraged then. Maybe that happened because we did not allow TV close-ups of the dismembered body parts of the Israeli youngsters at the Dolphinarium? Or of the shattered lives of the people butchered while celebrating the Passover seder at the Park Hotel in Netanya? What can you do - that's the way we are. We don't wave body parts at the camera. We grieve quietly.

We do not dance on the roofs at the sight of the bodies of our enemy's children - we express genuine sorrow and regret. That is the monstrous behavior of our enemies. Now they have risen up against us. Tomorrow they will rise up against you. You are already familiar with the murderous taste of this terror. And you will taste more.


In a loud and clear voice


And Ariel Sharon's withdrawal from Gaza. What did it get us? A barrage of Kassem missiles fired at peaceful settlements and the kidnapping of soldiers. Then too, I don't recall you reacting with such alarm. And for six years, the withdrawal from Lebanon has drawn the vituperation and crimes of a dangerous, extremist Iranian agent, who took over an entire country in the name of religious fanaticism and is trying to take Israel hostage on his way to Jerusalem - and from there to Paris and London.

An enormous terrorist infrastructure has been established by Iran on our border, threatening our citizens, growing stronger before our very eyes, awaiting the moment when the land of the Ayatollahs becomes a nuclear power in order to bring us to our knees. And make no mistake - we won't go down alone. You, the leaders of the free and enlightened world, will go down along with us.

So today, here and now, I am putting an end to this parade of hypocrisy. I don't recall such a wave of reaction in the face of the 100 citizens killed every single day in Iraq. Sunnis kill Shiites who kill Sunnis, and all of them kill Americans - and the world remains silent. And I am hard pressed to recall a similar reaction when the Russians destroyed entire villages and burned down large cities in order to repress the revolt in Chechnya. And when NATO bombed Kosovo for almost three months and crushed the civilian population - then you also kept silent. What is it about us, the Jews, the minority, the persecuted, that arouses this cosmic sense of justice in you? What do we have that all the others don't?

In a loud clear voice, looking you straight in the eye, I stand before you openly and I will not apologize. I will not capitulate. I will not whine. This is a battle for our freedom. For our humanity. For the right to lead normal lives within our recognized, legitimate borders. It is also your battle. I pray and I believe that now you will understand that. Because if you don't, you may regret it later, when it's too late.






















evreu mandru din israel
2006-08-03 11:04:29

Ultimul bilant la Qana.

Au fost ucisi 28, intre care 16 copii.
Nu ca e mai putin regretabil, dar e o mica dovada cum functioneaza propaganda Hezbollah.

Socrate
2006-08-03 11:49:52

Cam confuz articolul.

Nu am inteles mare lucru. Cu exceptia faptului ca autorul are pica pe Miruna.

DanBruma
2006-08-03 12:14:48

Re: Cam confuz articolul.

Ghita Bizonu'
2006-08-03 12:32:39

Re: Mii de scuze

Gargantua
2006-08-03 12:37:26

Respect!

roy
2006-08-03 12:37:48

Re: Cam confuz articolul?

roy
2006-08-03 12:44:04

Re: Franaru

roy
2006-08-03 12:48:26

Re: moare de invidie ca Miruna e mai buna si mai citita decat el ! Ha, ha, ha

Raquel
2006-08-03 13:21:37

da, Roy, ai dreptate, dar nu se critica intre ei direct, in articole

Ghita Bizonu'
2006-08-03 14:48:08

Re: Gargantua

daca insa un roman ar tine acelasi discurs care ar fi parerea ta?!

Gargantua
2006-08-03 14:53:31

Re: Gargantua

Ghita Bizonu'
2006-08-03 15:23:19

Re: Gargantua te-am intrebat

Virgil Ciuca
2006-08-03 15:32:10

Domnule Gabriel Andreescu,



Din comentariul Dumneavoastra rezulta ca nu sunteti un soldat ci un mercenar bine platit care lupta cu slova si imaginea

Nu are sens sa comentez prea mult elucubratiile Dumneavoastra ! o precizare insa "nici omenirea la cheremul Siriei si Iranului dar nici a Israelului si Statelor Unite care imping omenirea catre dezastru.

Folositi din solda de mercenar si un procent pentru a alina durerile produse de crimele Israelului si patronate de US.

Virgil Ciuca

Ghita Bizonu'
2006-08-03 15:43:31

Va rog o explicatie

cum si cand " "Interventia umanitara are legitimitate istorica, iar ea a devenit chiar o obligatie in sistemul de drept stabilit dupa al doilea razboi mondial".
Exemple. Altele decat Iugoslavia!

Ghita Bizonu'
2006-08-03 15:45:23

Greseala Mirunei

a fost ca s-a bizuit pe minciuna aia zisa corectitudine politica.
Corectitudine politica nu exista! Exista decat interese care sunt acpoperite cu un val de minciuni.
Hai sa lasam ipocrizia corectitudinii politice.
Uneori folosirea fortei este unica solutie - daca unu iti arunca cu bomba peste granita este normal sa ripostezi militar . Iar folosirea fortei are propria sa logica , brutala si care nu tine de jocul ideilor. Folosirea disporportionata a fortei nu este numai normala in cadrul conflictului militar ci este conditia necesara de a rezolva conflictul, o stie orice leat ce-a facut un ciclu de instructie .

PANTAGRUEL
2006-08-03 15:59:49

in atentia noastra, a infidelilor (AS, articol f.bun)

stergera Israelului din geografie -vezi discursul presedinte Iran, tara finantatoare a armatei Hezbollah- este doar primul pas.Noi, ceilalti, infidelii urmam.Cat de curand.Mersul istoriei nu poate fi oprit de gagaitul unor gaste, chiar suite pe un Capitoliu acoperit cu fata de masa rosie.

Raquel
2006-08-03 16:52:50

avem sanse mari ca noi sa urmam, daca ne mai bagam nasul si in Liban !

dolhasca
2006-08-03 17:01:43

Pentru Domnul Andreescu

"Morality is not on our side

By Ze'ev Maoz

There's practically a holy consensus right now that the war in the North is a just war and that morality is on our side. The bitter truth must be said: this holy consensus is based on short-range selective memory, an introverted worldview, and double standards.

This war is not a just war. Israel is using excessive force without distinguishing between civilian population and enemy, whose sole purpose is extortion. That is not to say that morality and justice are on Hezbollah's side. Most certainly not. But the fact that Hezbollah "started it" when it kidnapped soldiers from across an international border does not even begin to tilt the scales of justice toward our side.

Let's start with a few facts. We invaded a sovereign state, and occupied its capital in 1982. In the process of this occupation, we dropped several tons of bombs from the air, ground and sea, while wounding and killing thousands of civilians. Approximately 14,000 civilians were killed between June and September of 1982, according to a conservative estimate. The majority of these civilians had nothing to do with the PLO, which provided the official pretext for the war.

In Operations Accountability and Grapes of Wrath, we caused the mass flight of about 500,000 refugees from southern Lebanon on each occasion. There are no exact data on the number of casualties in these operations, but one can recall that in Operation Grapes of Wrath, we bombed a shelter in the village of Kafr Kana which killed 103 civilians. The bombing may have been accidental, but that did not make the operation any more moral.

On July 28, 1989, we kidnapped Sheikh Obeid, and on May 12, 1994, we kidnapped Mustafa Dirani, who had captured Ron Arad. Israel held these two people and another 20-odd Lebanese detainees without trial, as "negotiating chips." That which is permissible to us is, of course, forbidden to Hezbollah.

Hezbollah crossed a border that is recognized by the international community. That is true. What we are forgetting is that ever since our withdrawal from Lebanon, the Israel Air Force has conducted photo-surveillance sorties on a daily basis in Lebanese airspace. While these flights caused no casualties, border violations are border violations. Here too, morality is not on our side.

So much for the history of morality. Now, let's consider current affairs. What exactly is the difference between launching Katyushas into civilian population centers in Israel and the Israel Air Force bombing population centers in south Beirut, Tyre, Sidon and Tripoli? The IDF has fired thousands of shells into south Lebanon villages, alleging that Hezbollah men are concealed among the civilian population. Approximately 25 Israeli civilians have been killed as a result of Katyusha missiles to date. The number of dead in Lebanon, the vast majority comprised of civilians who have nothing to do with Hezbollah, is more than 300.

Worse yet, bombing infrastructure targets such as power stations, bridges and other civil facilities turns the entire Lebanese civilian population into a victim and hostage, even if we are not physically harming civilians. The use of bombings to achieve a diplomatic goal - namely, coercing the Lebanese government into implementing UN Security Council Resolution 1559 - is an attempt at political blackmail, and no less than the kidnapping of IDF soldiers by Hezbollah is the aim of bringing about a prisoner exchange.

There is a propaganda aspect to this war, and it involves a competition as to who is more miserable. Each side tries to persuade the world that it is more miserable. As in every propaganda campaign, the use of information is selective, distorted and self-righteous. If we want to base our information (or shall we call it propaganda?) policy on the assumption that the international environment is going to buy the dubious merchandise that we are selling, be it out of ignorance or hypocrisy, then fine. But in terms of our own national soul searching, we owe ourselves to confront the bitter truth - maybe we will win this conflict on the military field, maybe we will make some diplomatic gains, but on the moral plane, we have no advantage, and we have no special status.

The writer is a professor of political science at Tel Aviv university."


fericire
2006-08-03 17:25:18

Re: da, Roy, ai dreptate, dar nu se critica intre ei direct, in articole

asp2ro
2006-08-03 17:33:27

Re: moare de invidie ca Miruna e mai buna si mai citita decat el !

folclorist
2006-08-03 17:35:28

Scrie romaneste , mai pruna !

evreu mandru din israel
2006-08-03 17:42:01

Re: Popor ales...

evreu mandru din israel
2006-08-03 17:50:13

Re: A word for the cynical

On proportionality

Cynical world leaders have long accused Israel of acting 'out of proportion'. But it's only a matter of time until they change rules of game

Over and over, the world complains that Israel 's responses are "out of proportion."

French President Jacques Chirac, for example, would have preferred Israel kidnap two Hizbullah soldiers in response to the kidnapping of two Israeli ones. An eye for an eye, you know.

Today, more than ever, it is clear that the source of these claims is to be found in hypocritical leaders and corrupt media outlets. This war is a good opportunity for Israel's PR machine to finally tell the world: yes, we are responding out of proportion, because the threat Israel faces has no proportions.

We would also do well to remind those self-righteous people that our "non-proportional" attention to national security did not begin with the current war. Since Israel was established, there have been several landmarks that the world wanted to remove, but eventually made peace with – and even saluted. For example:

Air Security. Israel was the first country to enact "non-proportional" security measures on El Al flights. Several hijackings by PLO terrorists in the 1970s forced the airline to place security guards on board, to take great care checking out passengers and baggage and to profile passengers.

One time we even made a surprise visit to Entebbe to free hostages being held at an entirely non-proportional distance. Travelers used to outrageously lenient security procedures on foreign airlines complained about Israel's lack of "proportion," and some even boycotted El Al – until September 11, 2001, that is.

As someone who has used American airports a fair bit, mainly in Boston before the World Trade Center attack, I was shocked more than once that airports employed security rules more appropriate for buses or taxis. Only after the attack did I understand that this stemmed from an American desire to be "proportional."

Israel experts summoned to the United States taught their hosts that in the era of modern terrorism, the price for proportional action could well be human lives. And as a result, security at Boston's Logan Airport today is a virtual copy of the security arrangement at Ben Gurion Airport.

Targeted assassination. When Israel assassinated heads of the PLO's "Black September" faction back in the 1970s, we were criticized by Europe and the United States, both of whom called for a halt to those actions. They demanded we arrest the guilty and bring them to trial, as if they were car thieves or rapists.

Even though Israel never publicly took responsibility for the assassinations of the killers of 11 Israeli athletes at the 1972 Munich Olympics, for example, the hypocritical world demanded we stop, because we had entered a new standing in the fight against terror, completely "out of proportion."

But again, it was only a question of time until the West began experiencing terrorist attacks at home and quickly changed its self-righteous moral stance. Al-Qaeda and Hizbullah attacks created new ideas about "targeting," as well as "decks of cards" including Bin Laden, Zarqawi, Zawahiri, showing once again that proportion is really just a matter of time.

Iraq's nuclear reactor. After Israel destroyed Iraq's nuclear reactor at Osirak in 1981, only a few voices around the world backed Israel up during those hard days. World leaders, including the US administration, fumed that Israel was "hysterical" for acting so far out of proportion. They felt there was no "clear and immediate danger" to Israel.

10 years later, during the Gulf War, the world, and especially America, understood that Israel's removal of Iraq's nuclear threat a decade prevented a totally non-proportional disaster, one that would not have been aimed only at Israel.

The lesson the world must learn today is that the more nuclear Iran benefits from understanding under the same banner of "proportional policy," the damage it will cause in future will be further and further out of proportion.

What can you do, Israel is the sacrifice of non-proportionality. The only democracy in the Middle East is surrounded by 10 Arab dictatorships, two of whom –nuclear Iran and terror-sponsoring Syria – make no attempt to hide their desire to destroy us.

Their agents, Hizbullah in the north and Hamas in the south and center of the country – are two fundamentalist terror organizations that remind Israel every day that it must fight for its survival.

Others, such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, support the terror groups politically, morally and financially. Even supposed "friends" – Egypt, Jordan, Morocco – put diplomatic pressure on the United States, the European Union and the UN to reign in Israel.

Israeli PR must teach the world the following principle about proportionality: If the Arabs lay down their weapons, there will be peace. If Israel lays down its weapons, there will be no Israel.


Brig. Gen. (res.) Moshe Elad served in several senior positions in Lebanon and the Territories. Today he is a researcher at the Shmuel Neeman Institute at the Technion


La 2006-08-03 17:01:43, dolhasca a scris:

mikele durul
2006-08-03 18:13:25

Documentat si argumentat din toate punctele de vedere acest editorial ! Felicitari !

Documentat si obiectiv si in ceea ce priveste " fenomenul " Miruna Munteanu.

Ghita Bizonu'
2006-08-03 18:13:50

Re:Corectie

Radu Dragan
2006-08-03 18:24:12

Domnule Gabriel ANDREESCU

Articolul dumneavostra e relist!
In ceea ce priveste pe domnisoara Miruna as avea de spus un singur lucru: Paraleismul din expunerea Mirunei ar fii fost interesant daca se facea in Hebollah si Securistii Teroristi care tageau in cetatenii Romaniei! Si minerii lui iliescu ar fi o alternativa!
Cum nu prea inteleg terorismul de acasa, e de inteles de ce avem poticneli in cazul Mirunei la cel international!
Multumesc pentru articol si pentru atentie!
Radu Dragan

dolhasca
2006-08-03 18:44:15

Re: a war...

The most unsuccessful war

By Ze'ev Sternhell

No situation can continue to exist for long without an ideological reason. That's how when once it was clear that it was not achieving its aims, an unsuccessful military campaign was upgraded with the wave of a magic wand to the level of a war of survival. When everyone understood that a moral reason had to be found both for the dimensions of the destruction sowed in Lebanon and the killing of the civilian population there, and for the Israeli dead and wounded (nobody is even talking about the exposure of the entire civilian population in the North of Israel to enemy fire while people are kept in disgraceful conditions in bomb shelters), a war of survival was invented, which by nature must be long and exhausting.

That is how a campaign of collective punishment that was begun in haste, without proper judgment and on the basis of incorrect assessments, including promises that the army is incapable of fulfilling, turned into a war of life and death, if not some kind of second War of Independence. In the press there have even been embarrassing comparisons to the struggle against Nazism, comparisons that are not only a crude distortion of history, but disgrace the memory of the Jews who were exterminated.

The architect of this unsuccessful campaign has outdone himself: In order to cover up his failures, he delivered a poor man's pseudo-Churchillian speech, and promised us more "pain, tears and blood." There really is no limit to shamelessness. It must be said in favor of the government spokesmen who are in greatest demand on the foreign stations, from the Israel Defense Forces Spokesman to Tourism Minister Isaac Herzog and former prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu -- that none of them has stooped to propaganda of this kind.



At the same time, the campaign's goals have been reduced and shrunk during these three weeks. From restoring Israel's power of deterrence, eliminating Hezbollah, and disarming it immediately -- after three weeks we have arrived at the present goal, which is the dismantling of the forward outposts of Hezbollah and the deployment of an international force to defend the North of Israel from the possibility of a repeat attack.

At this point, the average citizen, who is not working day and night in the corridors of power and is not sunning himself near the generals' command rooms, is at a loss. Is this how we are restoring the IDF's power of deterrence? Haven't we accomplished exactly the opposite? Hasn't it become clear to the entire world that our "invincible" air force not only failed for three weeks to end the barrage of rockets, but also even needs an emergency airlift of war materiel, as during the 1973 Yom Kippur War?

Moreover, the ordinary citizen is asking himself another question: If several thousand guerrilla fighters do constitute an existential danger to a country with a strike force and weaponry that are unparalleled in this part of the world, how is it that during the past five or six years we heard nothing to that effect from government leaders?

It is true that since 2000 we have not been preoccupied with anything except the Palestinian issue. Hypnotized by the "Palestinian danger," Israel turned its back during the past two years on all national efforts that preceded the disengagement from Gaza, and then the split in the Likud and the establishment of Kadima, as a prologue to the second major campaign, "convergence" behind the separation fence. And when the present government was formed, a national agenda was formulated for the next two, if not four, years, whose main component is fulfillment of the "Sharon legacy": a unilateral drawing of borders in the territories, pulverizing them into cantons and in effect eliminating the possibility of establishing a Palestinian state in them. This led citizens to understand that this is the issue that will determine Israel's future.

The clearest evidence of the national order of priorities is the situation in which the IDF's fighting units find themselves. It was no secret that the army almost stopped training in large units and complex operations, and became totally immersed in the struggle against the Palestinian uprising. When infantry brigades turn into a police force specializing in breaking down doors and walls in refugee camps, or in pursuit of groups of terrorists in olive orchards, when the criterion for the success of a senior officer is the number of wanted men he has managed to catch rather than his operational talents and ability to command large units -- the army deteriorates.

I cannot recall that the reserve divisions that were drafted on Yom Kippur in 1973, or the Israelis who returned as individuals from abroad in order to join the fighting, were in need of training and refresher exercises. Nevertheless, the Agranat Commission of inquiry was established to investigate, among other things, the level of the forces' battle preparedness.

The Six-Day War and Yom Kippur War were wars of survival, and through them the IDF was revealed in all its greatness. The present war is the most unsuccessful we have ever had; it is much worse than the first Lebanon War, which at least was properly prepared, and in which, with the exception of gaining control over the Beirut-Damascus highway, the army more or less achieved its goals as determined by then-defense minister Ariel Sharon.

It is frightening to think that those who decided to embark on the present war did not even dream of its outcome and its destructive consequences in almost every possible realm, of the political and psychological damage, the serious blow to the government's credibility, and yes -- the killing of children in vain. The cynicism being demonstrated by government spokesmen, official and otherwise, including several military correspondents, in the face of the disaster suffered by the Lebanese, amazes even someone who has long since lost many of his youthful illusions.

La 2006-08-03 17:50:13, evreu mandru din israel a scris:

Shadow
2006-08-03 19:25:08

Re: A word for the cynical EMI

Asta e ala care e super expertu' peste tot si palestinian si libanez? Ala care stie tot si cu crestinii ortodoxi si catolici. Ala de a fost guvernator in west bank ? Ala care viseaza la Israelul mare(ca vadim)? Ala care a terminat armata ca colonel in rezerva si a crescut "in grad" pana la general de brigada dupa nu?

PS. Ai ratat cel "mai bun" articol al lui ala in care il explica pe nastrallah ca pe francezul zidane care da cu capul.
Ma scuzi dar personal eu n-as da citate din vadim. Acum tui poti face ce vrei ca doar e democratie.

Golanul
2006-08-03 20:03:50

Re: A word for the cynical EMI Shadow

mikele durul
2006-08-03 20:06:21

Re: Greseala Mirunei

Sobru
2006-08-03 20:15:12

ehh

Andreescu nu argumenteaza pentru a demonstra ca o comparatie cu Kosovo ar fi incorecta, ci argumenteaza impotriva Mirunei Munteanu. Face exact ca politicienii, care nu vorbesc pe subiect ci incep cu "ba tu, ba tu".
Da! E adevarat, cei ca Miruna Munteanu care s-au opus interventiei din Kosovo(de fapt paralela se poate extinde la intreaga Iugoslavie) NU au caderea de a folosi aceasta comparatie ca argument, tocmai pentru ca daca ar respecta acelasi principiu, ar trebui sa fie acum de partea Israelului agresor, asa cum erau de partea sarbilor agresori. Andreescu pe de alta parte, se umple de ridicol la randul lui, caci daca a sustinut atunci interventia NATO impotriva invadatorului, a celui care ataca civilii cu ARMATA, la ORDIN, ar trebui sa fie net impotriva Israelului si de partea libaneza. Si asta fara a mai vorbi de DREPTURILE OMULUI pe care Andreescu sustine ca le apara.

ingineru
2006-08-03 20:44:05

Minunat exemplu de logica francofona...

Chirac 8-2-06: "Iran is a Stabilizer"
Ahmadinejad 8-3-06: "Destroy Israel"

QED... :-))

anonymous
2006-08-03 21:28:49

Re: Greseala Mirunei

toni
2006-08-03 21:40:02

Vina Mirunei


Vina este este ca spune ce gandeste . Inca n-a invatat sa se prefaca , nu stie sa scrie articole ca sa fie pe placul celor ce domina scena politica si financiara , nu stie sa linguseasca , inca nu-i pasa ca poate fi acuzata de te miri ce pentru ca a spus ce gandeste , nu stie sa faca frumos ca sa primeasca burse in occident si sponsorizari , invata si intelege greu metoda des aplicata a "dublului standard" , etc.
In lumea de azi cei ca ea sunt dezvantajati .


asp2ro
2006-08-03 22:46:06

Re: Vina Mirunei

mikele durul
2006-08-03 23:28:54

Re: Vina Mirunei

evreu mandru din israel
2006-08-03 23:43:48

Re: Shadow

evreu mandru din israel
2006-08-03 23:46:32

Re: Vina Mirunei


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