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catalinam
2006-02-02 22:53:16

sper sa reuseasca SUA

sper sa reuseasca lumea de a mai fi dependenta de petrolul din Orientul Mijlociu. Imi pare rau pentru cei care nu au nici o vina, dar este mai bine asa....
Numai bine

sarmale stricate02
2006-02-02 22:18:24

Re: Felix,

....cum poti fi atat de naiv mai pinky???...top10 la ziare.com e in functie de cine da bani...de ex. "onlinesport"e cel mai cautat ziar de pe ziare.com,dar nu au mai vrut sa dea bani la aia de la ziare.com si i-a scos de pe asa zisul top10 .
Cit despre CIA nu pot sa zic ca sunt usa de biserica ,dar pina acolo a isi ucide millioane de concetateni(vezi ispraviile comuniste din URSS ,Cambodgia,Vietnam si multe alte in africa si asia),mai curge multa apa pe mississippi pina vei auzi ca CIA sa ia parte la exterminarea propriei natiuni.
Iar despre documentar ,e normal sa gasesti (si in ziua de azi sunt cu duiumul)fosti guvernamentalisti care sa arunce cu nuroi in tot ceea ce inseamna USA...DE CE? simplu pt ca puteriile globale incearca mutarea centrului de putere din SUA la un nivel mondial ,poate ONU, nu sunt sigur inca.
De e bine de e rau nu as putea sa demonstrez inca,dar un lucru stiu sigur ,o sa plangem dupa sistemul american multa vreme,nu exista un alt sistem mai bun pt omenire in ziua de azi,decit sistemul teocratic impus de Isus Hristos ,care va fi impus la reintoarcerea Lui pe pamant.Acela va fi singurul sitem care va dainui pe vecie.

La 2006-02-02 13:39:28, Pinkie a scris:
>Daca ai ct de ct pretentii intelectuale ar tb sa te abtii
>de a exprima o opinie nainte de a vedea /auzi materialul.
>
>E un documentar extrem de serios, un fel de istorie a CIA,
>unde se exprima toti fostii sefi a-i CIA si aproape in exclusivitate
>agenti CIA.
>W Karel da pe banda cte TREI SURSE din interior
>pt fiecare subiect.
>
>Nu mai vindeti gogosi oamenilor cu vrajeli likudiste,
>nu suntem toti prosti.
>
>Probabil esti jurnalist la Ziua,
>unde nu de mult Dan Pavel scria niste enormitati
>stupefiante, acu' el s-a dat la fund,
>dar continua altii. Vedeti ca in top 10 pe ziare.com
>ati ajuns la coada, aproape apara din lista.
>Chiar aici pe forum cenzura ideologica e la ea acasa.
>
>Pacat.
>
>
>
>La 2006-02-02 13:28:22, George-Felix a scris:
>
>>La 2006-02-02 13:15:02, Pinkie a scris:
>>
>>>
>>> Cauta "CIA -razboaie secrete " de William Karel -DVD
>>>la librarii daca esti in vest,
>>>daca nu, cauta filmul pe Kazaa , EMule, alte situri de peer to peer.
>>>Ai sa vezi toate loviturile de stat aranjate de americani.
>>>
>>
>> Pinkie, apreciez interesul tau pentru informarea ma si inteleg si
>>rostul existentei filmelor, site-urilor samd de care spui. Totusi, sa
>>stii ca, in opinia mea, ele nu indeplinesc criteriul de exactitate pe
>>care il cer de la o sursa. In general, din motive poate psihologice,
>>sunt ostil teoriilor conspirationiste, desi, repet, le inteleg
>>rostul.
>>
>> Multumesc insa pentru intentie!
>>
>>
>> Felix
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Pinkie
2006-02-02 22:04:24

Nu Oriana, nu e chiar asha:




Toate religiile au sensibilitatile lor,
ia sa faca unul mishto de iudaism sa vezi
ce ia foc planeta.

Respecta daca vrei sa fii respectat.

Ct despre danezi nu mai pot eu,
sa-i ia arabii pe sus cu totul ca sunt chiar mai xenofobi
dect francezii (FRANCEZI mi-au povestit
ce probleme au avut acolo ca n-au putut cumpara
nici macar un Monopoly pt copii) !!!

Ptiu !

roy
2006-02-02 21:49:57

Re: Evolutzii? ...Vrei sa spui involutzii

Eu nu stiu despre ce tratative secrete vorbesti (poate de formare a guvernului palestinian), dar vrea sa-tzi spun ca optimismul tau nu are o baza reala.

Marea majoritate a israelienilor a intzeles de mult ca nu exista la ora actuala si probabil pentru urmatorii ani un partener la tratative. Daca mai erau inca cateva procente care credeau intr-un proces de pace, a venit Hamasul la putere si le-a luat si lor piuitul.

Hamasul daca se va schimba vreodata, asta se va intampla intr-o perioada foarte lunga si toate cererile din Vest ca Hamasul sa-si schimbe naravurile imediat sant destinate esecului. Hamasul este o miscare prea fundamentalista ca sa o faca de azi pe maine.

Israelul va intra intr-o lunga perioada de asteptare si fortificare militara. Gardul va fi terminat si operatziuni militare contra teroristilor vor continua la foc mai mult sau mai putzin mic.

Nu vor fi tratative cu palestinienii pentru ca nu are rost. Cand puterea este in mana Hamsului, care nu recunoaste Israelul, pentru ce sa tratam si sa semnam acorduri care vor fi anulate de Hamas?

Cred ca relatziile europenilor cu palestinieni se vor raci mult. S-ar putea ca europenii sa le mai dea ceva bani, dar relatziile nu vor mai fi ca inainte. In America se prepara o lege ca sa se stranga si mai tare surubul contra palestinienilor.

Hamasul va cere ajutor in tzarile arabe, insa probabil ca vor primi un ajutor foarte mic, poate numai din Iran. Palestinienii au fost ajutatzi pana acum foarte putzin de fratziorii lor, majoritatea banilor au provenit din Europa.

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La 2006-02-02 13:53:17, lucid a scris:

>A nu se citi decat de cei care judeca cu propriul creier still
>unwashed:
>- Evacuarea de la Amona, a declarat Olmert, inseamna ca a red line has
>been crossed. Spartul capetelor soldatilor nu mai este ideologie ci
>violenta de netolerat (citez tot din Olmert ca si ieri cu
>sentimentele si arestarile). Ce s-a vazut ieri seara la TV pare
>incredibil, sarje inclusiv calare impotriva unor
>"prastieri" suiti pe acoperisuri care dadeau cu pietre ca
>intr-o autentica intifada. Este primul test major al lui Olmert si,
>ascultand incredibilele blesteme cu care era blagoslovit de
>colonisti, asta arata ca omul e decis sa mearga spre pacea adevarata
>in zona.
>- Oficialitati americane "sfatuiesc" autoritatile israeliene
>sa ramburseze ca si pana acum taxele de import-export cuvenite
>palestinienilor pentru a nu slabi si mai mult pozitia lui Abu Mazen.
>- Autoritatile israeliene au redus de la 8-10 luni la doar 60 de zile
>timpul de asteptare al sotiilor palestiniene din afara Israelului
>dupa casatoria cu arabi israelieni pentru a se putea instala
>definitiv impreuna cu sotzul.
>- Doamna Livni, aici avea dreptate roy ca e un politician de viitor, a
>declarat ca nu trebuie sa se permita Hamasului "sa puna
>mana" pe viitorul guvern palestinian. Deci acord indirect pentru
>guvern de tehnicieni.
>Toate semne ca negocierile secrete merg cel putin acceptabil, ca
>Olmert si Kadyma merg ferm pe drumul deschis in ultimul an de Sharon
>(chiar daca acesta nu a mai fost pus pe listele de candidati pentru
>Knesseth) si ca liderii Hamas sunt suficient de realisti cu privire
>la viitorul palestinienilor.
>Nu pot totusi sa nu remarc ca "echipa de zgomote" de pe
>acest site situata in afara Israelului (forumistii din Israel sunt de
>cu totul alta calitate intelectuala decat copy-paste-tatorii de texte
>culese de aiurea) nu a suflat o vorba pana acum despre evenimentul de
>"separare a apelor" de la Amona, nu se potrivea cu
>rudimentara lor propaganda.
>In fond diferenta dintre "echipa de zgomote" de pe aici si
>cei care cunosc cu adevarat problemele din zona este cea dintre ura
>si sete de sange si pace cu dreptul fiecaruia de a trai asa cum vrea,
>lasandu-l si pe vecin sa faca la fel.
>

Oriana
2006-02-02 21:49:27

la NAJAF, in Irak, "Mecca" shi'itilor


Traditia Islamului Sunnit INTERZICE ta-xa-tiv nu numai orice rafiguratie umana a profetului Mahomed, ci a oricarui alt sunnit.

Spun sunnitii ca atunci cand profetul asta s-a intors la Medina, a dat ORDIN sa fie DISTRUSE toate statuilor ridicate in jurul zonei KAABA, piatra aceea neagra la care se prosterneaza musulmanii sunniti.

Or, pt. musulmanii SHI' ITI aceasta interdictie se aplica DOAR Profetului, si nu in mod rigoros.

Ginerele sau, ALI', considerat de shi' iti UNICUL adevarat discendent, este reprodus in tablouri, desene, picturi murale peste tot, la fel ca feciorii lui, Hassan si Hussein.

Chiar in zilele astea se sarbatoreste la NAJAF, in Irak ceremonia ASHURA, prin care se aminteste uciderea lui ALI'.

anonymous
2006-02-02 21:46:02

Re: e chestie de cateva secole, clerul sunnit e n 1.427, noi in 2006

Isteria vine din faptul ca gulmitza suna cam asa "religia musulmana e religia terorii ".

Daca faci glume despre evrei&Hitler esti catalogat imediat drept antisemit si pus la zid. Unde e libertatea de exprimare in cazul asta?

Recunosc, e cam exagerata reactia dar intr-un fel ii inteleg. Cei care au facut caricaturile isi primesc ceea ce merita.

La 2006-02-02 21:18:50, Oriana a scris:

> PT. CA E CLERUL SUNNIT CARE FACE PANARAMNA ASTA, AI OBSERVAT CA
> SHI'ITII NU SCOT O VORBA ?
>
>
> La 2006-02-02 20:16:10, Mos Grigore a scris:
>
> > La 2006-02-02 20:01:49, CONU a scris:
> >
> > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_drawings.jpg
> > ===============================================
> >
> > NU CONTEAZA, DOAR IDEIA CA L-AR DESENA CINEVA E BLESFAMIE!
> >
> > CHIPURILE DE OM ERAU INTERZIS DE DESENAT PINA TIRZIU IN ISTORIE CA SA
> > NU MAI VORBIM DE PROFET.
> >
> > ASA S-AU DESVOLTAT "ARABESCURILE" IN LOC!
> >
> >
>
>

Oriana
2006-02-02 21:18:50

e chestie de cateva secole, clerul sunnit e n 1.427, noi in 2006

PT. CA E CLERUL SUNNIT CARE FACE PANARAMNA ASTA, AI OBSERVAT CA SHI'ITII NU SCOT O VORBA ?


La 2006-02-02 20:16:10, Mos Grigore a scris:

>La 2006-02-02 20:01:49, CONU a scris:
>
>>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_drawings.jpg
>===============================================
>
>NU CONTEAZA, DOAR IDEIA CA L-AR DESENA CINEVA E BLESFAMIE!
>
>CHIPURILE DE OM ERAU INTERZIS DE DESENAT PINA TIRZIU IN ISTORIE CA SA
>NU MAI VORBIM DE PROFET.
>
>ASA S-AU DESVOLTAT "ARABESCURILE" IN LOC!
>
>

serios-glumetul
2006-02-02 21:13:34

Re: ia uite, cum duce Bush de nas populatia // Lasa sa o duca da nas, daca e fraera altceva nu merita!

La 2006-02-02 20:11:21, anonymous a scris:

>Administration backs off Bush's vow to reduce Mideast oil imports
>BY KEVIN G. HALL
>Knight Ridder Newspapers
>
>WASHINGTON - One day after President Bush vowed to reduce America's
>dependence on Middle East oil by cutting imports from there 75
>percent by 2025, his energy secretary and national economic adviser
>said Wednesday that the president didn't mean it literally.
>
>What the president meant, they said in a conference call with
>reporters, was that alternative fuels could displace an amount of oil
>imports equivalent to most of what America is expected to import from
>the Middle East in 2025.
>
>But America still would import oil from the Middle East, because
>that's where the greatest oil supplies are.
>
>The president's State of the Union reference to Mideast oil made
>headlines nationwide Wednesday because of his assertion that
>"America is addicted to oil" and his call to "break
>this addiction."
>
>Bush vowed to fund research into better batteries for hybrid vehicles
>and more production of the alternative fuel ethanol, setting a lofty
>goal of replacing "more than 75 percent of our oil imports from
>the Middle East by 2025."
>
>He pledged to "move beyond a petroleum-based economy and make our
>dependence on Middle Eastern oil a thing of the past."
>
>Not exactly, though, it turns out.
>
>"This was purely an example," Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman
>said.
>
>He said the broad goal was to displace foreign oil imports, from
>anywhere, with domestic alternatives. He acknowledged that oil is a
>freely traded commodity bought and sold globally by private firms.
>Consequently, it would be very difficult to reduce imports from any
>single region, especially the most oil-rich region on Earth.
>
>Asked why the president used the words "the Middle East"
>when he didn't really mean them, one administration official said
>Bush wanted to dramatize the issue in a way that "every American
>sitting out there listening to the speech understands." The
>official spoke only on condition of anonymity because he feared that
>his remarks might get him in trouble.
>
>Presidential adviser Dan Bartlett made a similar point in a briefing
>before the speech. "I think one of the biggest concerns the
>American people have is oil coming from the Middle East. It is a very
>volatile region," he said.
>
>Through the first 11 months of 2005, the United States imported nearly
>2.2 million barrels per day of oil from the Middle East nations of
>Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq. That's less than 20 percent of the
>total U.S. daily imports of 10.062 million barrels.
>
>Imports account for about 60 percent of U.S. oil consumption.
>
>Alan Hubbard, the director of the president's National Economic
>Council, projects that America will import 6 million barrels of oil
>per day from the Middle East in 2025 without major technological
>changes in energy consumption.
>
>The Bush administration believes that new technologies could reduce
>the total daily U.S. oil demand by about 5.26 million barrels through
>alternatives such as plug-in hybrids with rechargeable batteries,
>hydrogen-powered cars and new ethanol products.
>
>That means the new technologies could reduce America's oil appetite by
>the equivalent of what we're expected to import from the Middle East
>by 2025, Hubbard said.
>
>But we'll still be importing plenty of oil, according to the Energy
>Department's latest projection.
>
>"In 2025, net petroleum imports, including both crude oil and
>refined products, are expected to account for 60 percent of demand
>... up from 58 percent in 2004," according to the Energy
>Information Administration's 2006 Annual Energy Outlook.
>
>Some experts think Bush needs to do more to achieve his stated goal.
>
>"We can achieve energy independence from the Middle East, but not
>with what the president is proposing," said Craig Wolfe, the
>president of Americans for Energy Independence in Studio City, Calif.
>"We need to slow the growth in consumption. Our organization
>believes we need to do something about conservation" and higher
>auto fuel-efficiency standards.
>

Oriana
2006-02-02 20:43:15

are cineva vreun link unde sa putem vedea caricaturile astea a lu' Mahomed ...YES

ISTERIE LANSATA DE CLER, SA PRECIZAM, CA ARABBII DIN EUROPA SUNT DIZGUSTATI DE ASA UN BORDEL !
SA-I AJUTAM PE DANEZI SI NORVEGIENI !!!

Re : Jihad arabo-musulman contre le Danemark (+ galerie dessins)

Le site internet du journal :


http://www.jp.dk/


"Cette prtention de dfendre l'Islamisme (qui est en soi une monstruosit) m'exaspère. Je demande, au nom de l'Humanit, à ce qu'on broie la Pierre Noire, pour en jeter les cendres au vent, à ce qu'on dtruise La Mecque, et que l'on souille la tombe de Mahomet. Ce serait le moyen de dmoraliser le Fanatisme. »

Gustave Flaubert, lettre à Madame Roger des Genettes (janvier 1878).

http://www.france-echos.com/actualite.php?cle=8220

DIN NOU SUSPENDAT !!!


Jihad arabo-musulman contre le Danemark (+ galerie dessins)

http://www.isfullofcrap.com/albums/Cartoonblogging/mohammed_email01.jpg


http://www.isfullofcrap.com/gallery/Cartoonblogging/mohammed01


http://woland.blogmilitant.com

A proposition which is connected with islamist attack against Jyllands-Posten

This info was sent to Blake from France-echos.com first. I will also try to send this info to other portals.

<<I suppose that all of you known that danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten some time ago publicated images of Muhammad. This is strictly prohibited by islamic cult and islamic law.

No muslim is allowed to draw his prophet. But this rule - which is interior rule of islamic faith could be used only for muslims. It's such incredible that muslims wants to force us - europeans, non-muslims to respect their internal rules.

We can draw muhammad anytime we want. We can't by ruled by islamic law and islamic cult ! It's such crazy that muslims try to force us to respect their law. >>

Look at that :

http://www.newspaperindex.com/blog/2006/01/27/boycott-of-danish-goods-over-blasphemous-cartoons/


<<I suppose that we should conduct paneropean action - "draw your own Muhammad". Our images couldn't be agressive - their must only show how we see islamic prophet.

Muslims want to boycott dannish companies and wants to force danish newspaper to say "sorry" that they publicated these drawings. >>

Muslim authorites officialy threated today danish journalists thet they must say sorry or else....(theo van gogh was only the first)

Some artists started to draw new images. Like that one :


http://www.newspaperindex.com/blog/2006/01/24/332/

<<I suppose that we must conduct paneuropean action to defend danish free press from muslim demands. We still live in europe. Such action should be publicated by european bloggers, portal owners, all of people who are interested in free speach in Europe. >>


<<We couldn't be ruled by islamic law ! We should help our danish friends.>>

http://18religiapokoju.blox.pl/resource/05.02.15PajamasGatesX.gif


>This is my opinion. All these images could be hosted in all blogs, portals etc. >



We started to make our own drawings.

http://18religiapokoju.blox.pl/resource/muhammadjpg.JPG



Notre ami LSA Oulahbib ragit aussi :

<<Manipulations : La draison et l'intolrance de certains musulmans>>
(&#8230;)

La suite sur

http://www.resiliencetv.fr/modules/news/article.php ?storyid=287

http://www.lefigaro.fr/europe/20060130.FIG0105.html

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/30012006/5/le-danemark-recommande-la-prudence...


A Gaza les Musulmans s'enflamment

http://www.jp.dk/indland/artikel :aiid=3526488 :img=P/

http://www.lexpress.fr/info/monde/dossier/islamisme/dossier.asp ?ida=436712

Danemark le compte &#224; rebours

voici l'adresse d'un site ou l'on trouve des photos en rapport avec le Danemark et qui se passent de commentaire.

http://trackingalqueda.blogspot.com/2006/01/denmark-is-next-bolo-denmark.html


http://www.newspaperindex.com/blog/2006/01/24/332/


New Mohammed drawings published in book

Tuesday January 24th 2006, 1:47 pm

Filed under: Newspapers, Ethics

http://www.newspaperindex.com/blog/2006/01/24/332/



<<The Mohammed drawing story began when a danish children book writer, was trying to find artist to illustrate his new book about Mohammed. It was not possible for him to find any artists who dared to do the job. Journalists at Jyllands-Posten heard about this and asked a dozen artists to draw Mohammed support the artist.>>

Now finally the book is out and the drawings have been made by an un-named artist. Here is an example:

Comment by mostafa ali_Egypt &#8212; January 25, 2006 @ 1:30 pm

<< just like to say no matter how hard you try to draw our prophet you will never get to draw his real face that is only Allah subhaanatallah who can you are only petty little infidels oh yeh another thing muslim angels dont have white wings you moron they wing are multi coloured just like islam. >>

Comment by Zakib Khan &#8212; January 26, 2006 @ 5:17 am

http://forum.newspaperindex.com

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La 2006-02-02 19:48:28, Pinkie a scris:

>
>
>pt care luara foc islamicii ???
>
>Azi "France soir " n'a putut intra in Maroc si Tunisia,
>fiind interzis pt ca publicase aceste poze...:-))
>
>Una dintre ele e aici :
>
>http://permanent.nouvelobs.com/medias/20060130.OBS4294.html
>
>:-))
>
>
>

Mos Grigore
2006-02-02 20:40:17

FELIX, incerc din nou ca iar am nimerit peste unul din aia 70% care ma dusmaneste. IRAN!

Pricing the Risk of War in Iran

F. William Engdahl, 28 January 2006


In the past weeks rumors have circulated widely amid growing tensions around a possible bombing strike against Iran. Among the reports&#8212;in violation of all precedent since the 1945 USA bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki&#8212;is discussion of possible deployment of nuclear bombs by either the United States or Israel, to destroy or render useless the deep underground Iranian nuclear facilities.

The possibility of war against Iran presents a geo-strategic and geopolitical problem of far more complexity than did the bombing and occupation of Iraq. And Iraq has proven complicated enough for the United States. Below we try to identify some of the main motives of the main actors in the new drama and the outlook for possible war.

The dramatis personae include the Bush Administration, most especially the Cheney-led neo-conservative hawks in control now of not only the Pentagon, but also the CIA, the UN Ambassadorship and a growing part of the State Department planning bureaucracy under Condi Rice. It includes Iran under the new and outspoken President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. It includes Putin`s Russia, a nuclear-armed veto member of the UN Security Council. It includes a nuclear-armed Israel, whose acting Prime Minister, Ehud Olmert, recently declared that Israel could &#8216;under no circumstances&#8217; allow Iranian development of nuclear weapons &#8216;that can threaten our existence.&#8217; It includes the EU, especially Security Council Permanent Member, France and the weakening President Chirac. It includes China, whose dependence on Iranian oil and potentially natural gas is large.

Each of these actors has differing agendas and different goals, making the issue of Iran one of the most complex in recent international politics. What&#8217;s going on here? Is a nuclear war, with all that implies for the global financial and political stability, imminent? What are the possible and even probable outcomes?



The basic facts

First the basic facts as can be verified. The latest act by Iran&#8217;s President, Ahmadinejad, announcing the resumption of suspended work on completing a nuclear fuel enrichment facility along with two other facilities at Natanz, sounded louder alarm bells outside Iran than his inflammatory anti-Israel rhetoric earlier, understandably so. Mohamed El Baradei, Nobel Peace prize winning head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the UN body, has said he is not sure if that act implies a nuclear weapons program, or whether Iran is merely determined not to be dependent on outside powers for its own civilian nuclear fuel cycle. But, he added, the evidence for it is stronger than that against Saddam Hussein, a rather strong statement by the usually cautious El Baradei.

The result of the resumption of research at Natanz appears to have jelled for the first time, a coalition between USA and the EU, including Germany and France, with China and even Russia, now joining in urging Iran to desist. Last August President George Bush announced, in regard to Iran&#8217;s announced plans to resume enrichment regardless of international opinion, that &#8216;all options are on the table.&#8217; That implied in context a nuclear strike on Iranian nuclear sites. That statement led to a sharp acceleration of EU diplomatic efforts, led by Britain, Germany and France, the so -called EU-3, to avoid a war. The three told Washington they were opposed to a military solution. Since then we are told by Der Spiegel and others the EU view has changed to appear to come closer to the position of the Bush Administration.

It&#8217;s useful briefly to review the technology of nuclear fuel enrichment. To prepare uranium for use in a nuclear reactor, it undergoes the steps of mining and milling, conversion, enrichment and fuel fabrication. These four steps make up the 'front end' of the nuclear fuel cycle.

After uranium has been used in a reactor to produce electricity it is known as 'spent fuel,' and may undergo further steps including temporary storage, reprocessing, and recycling before eventual disposal as waste. Collectively these steps are known as the 'back end' of the fuel cycle.

The Natanz facility is part of the &#8216;front end&#8217; or fuel preparation cycle. Ore is first milled into Uranium Oxide (U3O8), or &#8216;yellowcake,&#8217; then converted into Uranium Hexafluoride (UF6) gas. The Uranium Hexafluoride then is sent to an enrichment facility, in this case Natanz, to produce a mix containing 3-4% of fissile U235, a non -weapons-grade nuclear fuel. So far, so good more or less in terms of weapons danger.

Iran is especially positioned through geological fortune to possess large quantities of uranium from mines in Yazd Province, permitting Iran to be self-sufficient in fuel and not having to rely on Russian fuel or any other foreign imports for that matter. It also has a facility at Arak which produces heavy water, which is used to moderate a research reactor whose construction began in 2004. That reactor will use uranium dioxide and could enable Iran to produce weapons grade plutonium which some nuclear scientists estimate could produce an amount to build one to two nuclear devices per year. Iran officially claims the plant is


restul (e lung) la:

http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/Geopolitics/Pricing_the_Risk/pricing_the_risk.html

Mos Grigore
2006-02-02 20:35:56

Re: Despre conflictul cu Iranul Asa e Ziua, nu e nimic extremist e doar o prostie in Gaboneza!

La 2006-02-02 12:09:54, Pinkie a scris:

>
>
>
>http://www.voltairenet.org/article134908.html
>
>Ziua, nu cenzurati pt ca nu e nimic extremist,
>mai mult , substanta problemei a si fost publicata
>chiar de voi !
>

Oriana
2006-02-02 20:31:10

"Ziare din Spania si Italia au publicat si ele caricaturile", mult anticipat !

se stie de mascarada asta cam dupa ce au prorestat violent cei 3.000 de fanatici de la Copenhaga, a scris expres Magdi Allam despre asa o obraznicie.

M-a lasat perplexa ca proprietarul ziarului Le Soir, e un franco egiptean, la fel ca ALLAM, care tuna si fulgera impotriva asa unui ABUZ, a intervenit la toate telejurnalele ns. expres, ca sa invoce MASS MEDIA ITALIENE sa nu se lase INTIMIDATI.

La 2006-02-02 19:55:14, roy a scris:

>Si azi au fost demonstratzii violente in Gaza. Norvegia si-a inchis
>reprezentantza acolo, si UE au inchis-o pe a lor.
>
>Ziare din Spania si Italia au publicat si ele caricaturile.
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Mos Grigore
2006-02-02 20:16:10

Re: Nu sunt cine stie ce caricaturile alea Mosule... chiar vezi ceva deosebit ?

La 2006-02-02 20:01:49, CONU a scris:

>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_drawings.jpg
===============================================

NU CONTEAZA, DOAR IDEIA CA L-AR DESENA CINEVA E BLESFAMIE!

CHIPURILE DE OM ERAU INTERZIS DE DESENAT PINA TIRZIU IN ISTORIE CA SA NU MAI VORBIM DE PROFET.

ASA S-AU DESVOLTAT "ARABESCURILE" IN LOC!

anonymous
2006-02-02 20:11:21

ia uite, cum duce Bush de nas populatia

Administration backs off Bush's vow to reduce Mideast oil imports
BY KEVIN G. HALL
Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - One day after President Bush vowed to reduce America's dependence on Middle East oil by cutting imports from there 75 percent by 2025, his energy secretary and national economic adviser said Wednesday that the president didn't mean it literally.

What the president meant, they said in a conference call with reporters, was that alternative fuels could displace an amount of oil imports equivalent to most of what America is expected to import from the Middle East in 2025.

But America still would import oil from the Middle East, because that's where the greatest oil supplies are.

The president's State of the Union reference to Mideast oil made headlines nationwide Wednesday because of his assertion that "America is addicted to oil" and his call to "break this addiction."

Bush vowed to fund research into better batteries for hybrid vehicles and more production of the alternative fuel ethanol, setting a lofty goal of replacing "more than 75 percent of our oil imports from the Middle East by 2025."

He pledged to "move beyond a petroleum-based economy and make our dependence on Middle Eastern oil a thing of the past."

Not exactly, though, it turns out.

"This was purely an example," Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman said.

He said the broad goal was to displace foreign oil imports, from anywhere, with domestic alternatives. He acknowledged that oil is a freely traded commodity bought and sold globally by private firms. Consequently, it would be very difficult to reduce imports from any single region, especially the most oil-rich region on Earth.

Asked why the president used the words "the Middle East" when he didn't really mean them, one administration official said Bush wanted to dramatize the issue in a way that "every American sitting out there listening to the speech understands." The official spoke only on condition of anonymity because he feared that his remarks might get him in trouble.

Presidential adviser Dan Bartlett made a similar point in a briefing before the speech. "I think one of the biggest concerns the American people have is oil coming from the Middle East. It is a very volatile region," he said.

Through the first 11 months of 2005, the United States imported nearly 2.2 million barrels per day of oil from the Middle East nations of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq. That's less than 20 percent of the total U.S. daily imports of 10.062 million barrels.

Imports account for about 60 percent of U.S. oil consumption.

Alan Hubbard, the director of the president's National Economic Council, projects that America will import 6 million barrels of oil per day from the Middle East in 2025 without major technological changes in energy consumption.

The Bush administration believes that new technologies could reduce the total daily U.S. oil demand by about 5.26 million barrels through alternatives such as plug-in hybrids with rechargeable batteries, hydrogen-powered cars and new ethanol products.

That means the new technologies could reduce America's oil appetite by the equivalent of what we're expected to import from the Middle East by 2025, Hubbard said.

But we'll still be importing plenty of oil, according to the Energy Department's latest projection.

"In 2025, net petroleum imports, including both crude oil and refined products, are expected to account for 60 percent of demand ... up from 58 percent in 2004," according to the Energy Information Administration's 2006 Annual Energy Outlook.

Some experts think Bush needs to do more to achieve his stated goal.

"We can achieve energy independence from the Middle East, but not with what the president is proposing," said Craig Wolfe, the president of Americans for Energy Independence in Studio City, Calif. "We need to slow the growth in consumption. Our organization believes we need to do something about conservation" and higher auto fuel-efficiency standards.

Mos Grigore
2006-02-02 20:10:41

Re: OOOOOOPS

La 2006-02-02 19:55:14, roy a scris:

>Si azi au fost demonstratzii violente in Gaza. Norvegia si-a inchis
>reprezentantza acolo, si UE au inchis-o pe a lor.
>
>Ziare din Spania si Italia au publicat si ele caricaturile.
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
astia ar trebui sa refuze malaiul din EU in semn de protest si DEMNITATE! CUM SA IA BANI DELA DETRACTORII PROFETULUI?

SE AUDE CEVA?

CONU
2006-02-02 20:09:16

Bai tataie...mai lasa-o-ncolo cu Global warming... de-aia cu schimbarea axei "gogoloiului"...

....ai auzit-o. Indreapta tu pamintul la loc si te facem Super-Man II. Numa sa nu te puna al de sus sa te urci pe cal... sa nu patesti ca Super-Man 1st. Capisci ?












La 2006-02-02 19:47:44, anonymous a scris:

>How to Tell if Bush is Serious about Ending US Dependence on Foreign
>Petroleum
>
>Bush said last night he wanted to end the dependence of the United
>States on foreign petroleum. That is not the right goal, since if we
>just burned coal and ran electric cars we could be independent. But
>we'd accelerate global warming and give ourselves black lung.
>
>The goal should be vastly reducing our use of hydrocarbons. Global
>warming is going to drown a lot of our coastal areas and send
>hurricanes on more of our cities if it keeps accelerating this way.
>Once the arctic shelves go into the drink and the ocean heats up
>sufficiently, you could have a rise in sea level of 20 feet. New
>Orleans, as bad as it was, would look like a picnic in comparison
>with this level of catastrophe.
>
>The way you could tell Bush was serious would be if he ordered the
>Pentagon to use green sources of energy where possible. If a major US
>bureacracy spent even a few billions on things like solar power and
>electric vehicles, there would be technological breakthroughs and
>prices would plummet.
>
>Or Bush could rescind some of his tax cuts for the super-rich and use
>the money as incentive for green energy.
>
>But as long as Bush, who is as he keeps reminding us, the chief
>executive officer of the US government, doesn't even require his own
>employees to try to use less petroleum, then all he is doing is
>mouthing plattitudes he stole from Al Gore and John Kerry, without
>intending to do more than flap his lips.
>
>In the old SPD/Green government in Germany, substantial strides were
>made toward profitable solar power companies, because of government
>investment and support. That is what a real energy policy would look
>like, Mr. Bush. Get one.
>

CONU
2006-02-02 20:01:49

Nu sunt cine stie ce caricaturile alea Mosule... chiar vezi ceva deosebit ?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b0/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_drawings.jpg

roy
2006-02-02 19:55:14

Re: OOOOOOPS

Si azi au fost demonstratzii violente in Gaza. Norvegia si-a inchis reprezentantza acolo, si UE au inchis-o pe a lor.

Ziare din Spania si Italia au publicat si ele caricaturile.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
La 2006-02-02 17:49:16, Mos Grigore a scris:

>French Editor Fired Over Muhammad Drawings
>
>
>By ANGELA CHARLTON, Associated Press Writer
>1 hour, 38 minutes ago
>
>
>
>The managing editor of a French newspaper was fired after it
>republished caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad that sparked fresh
>anger among Muslims, employees at the paper said Thursday.
>
>The drawings, which first ran in a Danish paper in September, were
>reprinted Wednesday in France Soir and several other European papers
>rallying to defend freedom of expression.
>
>The managing editor of France Soir, Jacques Lefranc, was fired after
>the publication by owner Raymond Lakah, an Egyptian magnate,
>employees said. No official reason was immediately announced.
>
>Islamic tradition bars any depiction of the prophet to prevent
>idolatry. The drawings have prompted boycotts of Danish goods and
>bomb threats and demonstrations against Danish facilities, and have
>divided opinion within Europe and the Middle East.
>
>The cartoons include an image of Muhammad wearing a turban shaped as a
>bomb with a burning fuse, and another portraying him holding a sword,
>his eyes covered by a black rectangle.
>
>Angered by the drawings, Palestinian gunmen jumped on the outer wall
>of a European Union office in Gaza City on Thursday and demanded an
>apology. Masked gunmen also briefly took over an EU office in Gaza on
>Monday.
>
>Syria has called for those behind publishing the cartoons to be
>punished. Danish goods were swept from shelves in many countries, and
>Saudi Arabia and Libya recalled their ambassadors to Denmark.
>
>The front page of France Soir on Wednesday carried the headline
>"Yes, We Have the Right to Caricature God" and a cartoon of
>Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim and Christian gods floating on a cloud.
>
>Germany's Die Welt daily printed one of the drawings on its front
>page, arguing that a "right to blasphemy" was anchored in
>democratic freedoms. The Berliner Zeitung daily printed two of the
>caricatures as part of its coverage of the controversy.
>
>Italy's La Stampa printed a small version of the offending caricature,
>on page 13. Two Spanish papers, Barcelona's El Periodico and Madrid's
>El Mundo, also carried the photos.
>
>The publication by French Soir drew a stern reaction from the French
>Foreign Ministry. While it said that freedom of expression is dear to
>France, the ministry "condemns all that hurts individuals in
>their beliefs or their religious convictions."
>
>The issue is sensitive in France, home to Western Europe's largest
>Muslim community with an estimated 5 million people.
>
>Mohammed Bechari, president of the National Federation of the Muslims
>of France, said his group would start legal proceedings against
>France Soir because of "these pictures that have disturbed us,
>and that are still hurting the feelings of 1.2 billion
>Muslims."
>
>
>

Pinkie
2006-02-02 19:48:28

Apropos, are cineva vreun link unde sa putem vedea caricaturile astea a lu' Mahomed ...



pt care luara foc islamicii ???

Azi "France soir " n'a putut intra in Maroc si Tunisia,
fiind interzis pt ca publicase aceste poze...:-))

Una dintre ele e aici :

http://permanent.nouvelobs.com/medias/20060130.OBS4294.html

:-))

anonymous
2006-02-02 19:47:44

comentariu despre Bush si politica energetica

How to Tell if Bush is Serious about Ending US Dependence on Foreign Petroleum

Bush said last night he wanted to end the dependence of the United States on foreign petroleum. That is not the right goal, since if we just burned coal and ran electric cars we could be independent. But we'd accelerate global warming and give ourselves black lung.

The goal should be vastly reducing our use of hydrocarbons. Global warming is going to drown a lot of our coastal areas and send hurricanes on more of our cities if it keeps accelerating this way. Once the arctic shelves go into the drink and the ocean heats up sufficiently, you could have a rise in sea level of 20 feet. New Orleans, as bad as it was, would look like a picnic in comparison with this level of catastrophe.

The way you could tell Bush was serious would be if he ordered the Pentagon to use green sources of energy where possible. If a major US bureacracy spent even a few billions on things like solar power and electric vehicles, there would be technological breakthroughs and prices would plummet.

Or Bush could rescind some of his tax cuts for the super-rich and use the money as incentive for green energy.

But as long as Bush, who is as he keeps reminding us, the chief executive officer of the US government, doesn't even require his own employees to try to use less petroleum, then all he is doing is mouthing plattitudes he stole from Al Gore and John Kerry, without intending to do more than flap his lips.

In the old SPD/Green government in Germany, substantial strides were made toward profitable solar power companies, because of government investment and support. That is what a real energy policy would look like, Mr. Bush. Get one.

laur
2006-02-02 19:45:53

Mai Obi mai

Nu te lua dupa propaganda .

America nu s-a creat pe sine pt democratie si deptate ci pentru reprezentaivitate (vot cenzitar). "No taxation without representation ."
Adica da punem banul pt un razboi daca ne iese ceva din asta .

Adica pentru dreptul suveran al baronilor locali sa decida si in politica mare nu doar in ranch-ul sau depozitele si atelierele lor.

Si uite ca reprezentativitatea a dat rezultate rezonabil de bune.
Poate ca si Romania ininte sa fie democrata ar trebui se fie reprezentativa.
Adica bashtanii sa aibe un cuvant de zis in mersul e statului, pentru binele afacerilor lor si eventul in viitor si pentru binele Romaniei.

Nu ca as fi retrograd is as cere reintroducere votului cenzitar da prin excluderea implicarii capitalului strain in procesul de sindicalizare al media s-ar obtine acelasi lucru cu avantajul pastrarii aparentelor democratice . Ceea ce e util cand trebuie sa mobilizezi aplaudacii din mediei si papusile politice cu spectrul somajului daca nu dau randamet .

Si in final cum merge antrenementul ? Te mai bat Sith-ii ?

La 2006-02-02 16:39:19, Obi One a scris:

>Not surprisingly, practically the first statement in this speech is
>September 11th, 2001. Despite this outrage against humanity, there is
>no mention of the thousands of innocent civilians in other countries
>murdered by the armed forces of which George Bush is
>Commander-in-Chief, no mention of the targeting of civilian
>infra-structures with his military hardware, no mention of the
>widespread practice of torture, the concentration camps, the
>disrespect for international law.
>
>Instead, what we get from George Bush is absurd, puerile statements
>such as: "At the start of 2006, more than half the people of our
>world live in democratic nations. And we do not forget the other half
>- in places like Syria, Burma, Zimbabwe, North Korea and
>Iran..."
>
>For the information of Mr. Bush "places like" Iran do not
>set up concentration camps in foreign lands, "places like"
>North Korea do not invade sovereign nations outside the auspices of
>international law, "places like" Syria do not use weapons
>of mass destruction against civilians, "places like"
>Zimbabwe do not lie at the UNO and "places like" Burma
>(Myanmar Republic for those who know what they're talking about) do
>not invade their neighbours, wire up people's testicles with
>electrodes, sodomise prisoners and set dogs on them.
>
>If this is spreading freedom and democracy to protect the good people
>of the United States who voted for such practices, then the Bush
>regime has created a chasm between its people and the rest of the
>world, and let us describe this policy accurately, for what it is: it
>is a unilateral policy of aggression which purports to set the United
>States of America above the rest of the international community in a
>position where Washington does what it likes, when it likes and as it
>likes, syphoning off or controlling the resources of the international
>community for its own benefit.
>
>
>

Zen
2006-02-02 19:34:09

Re: Si care-i aia?

Mai degraba: eliberarea petrolului de sub povara irakienilor.


La 2006-02-02 14:55:35, G.B. a scris:

>Ce inseamna victoria finala in cazu' asta? Defilari ale irakienilor
>(catzi or mai ramane) cu portretele lu' bush si strigand "God
>bless America!" ? Eliberarea irakienilor de sub povara
>petrolului?
>

Zen
2006-02-02 19:30:29

Re: Felix, despre lovitura de stat n Iran:

Da. Au rasturnat 38 de guverne democratice in 36 de ani.


La 2006-02-02 13:15:02, Pinkie a scris:

>
> Cauta "CIA -razboaie secrete " de William Karel -DVD
>la librarii daca esti in vest,
>daca nu, cauta filmul pe Kazaa , EMule, alte situri de peer to peer.
>Ai sa vezi toate loviturile de stat aranjate de americani.
>
>
>
>
> In mai 1963 Alain Dulles pune in miscare
>operatiunea clandestina AJAX pt ca Mosadegh -prim min iranian-
>nationalizeaza puturile de petrol.
>
>British Petroleum pune presiunea pe Eisenhower
>NU cu pierderea puturilor, ci cu sperietoarea ca
>Iranul "trebuie salvat de la amenintarea comunista".
>
>APOI US a "lasat din brate" si sahul
>la venirea lui Khomeini.
>
>Incearca sa vezi filmul nainte de a uda
>batista pt americani.
>
>PS : Damigeana, nu-ti pierde timpul,
>nu-ti deschid productiile.
>
>
>

laur
2006-02-02 19:29:12

da pe xindi i-ai uitat ?

sau pe shape shifterii din quadratul gamma ?

Hai ca in rest sunt prezenti toti

Daca mai si codurile de convesie din formatele Robotron in orice altceva contemporan ale bazei de date cu operativii si informatorii STASI dau cu basca de pamant


> Da mai, am mai marturisit odata. Mama e agent Mossad, tata e in
>Shin Beth, eu lucrez la Ziua pe post de "ureche deschisa"
>ca sa descopar dusmanii SUA (sunt de fapt platit de CIA prin
>intermediu Mossad, dar numai eu stiu ca banii vin de la KGB care e
>indirect finantat de BKA, ma rog, in afara e mine mai stiu si niste
>fosti directori CIA si cateva surse care vor sa isi pastreze
>anonimatul)
> In munca mea sunt ajutat de un var de la SRI care e frate cu un
>unchi al meu de la Ziua.., si asa am ajuns sa am acest job tare bine
>platit.
>
> Si sa nu uit, tata e evreu, mama e iranianca, am o sora in state
>si un frate agent francez in Algeria, precum si un unchi a carui
>identitate nu o voi dezvalui niciodata, desi acei fosti directori CIA
>de care spuneam o stiu deja (identitatea bre':))
>
>
> Felix
>
> P.S. Si sa nu uit, pe astia din Likud i-am pacalit, ca ei nu stiu
>ca sunt omul platit al Kadimei, si nici Kadima nu stie ca de fapt ma
>plateste si Partidul Muncii, iar ce nu stie PM-ul nu va spun nici
>voua, ca sa va fac in ciuda:)) Da fostii sefi ai CIA stiu cu totii si
>o sa scrie mai incolo o carte pe tema asta, carte care ne va fi
>semnalata cu bunavointa de tine:))

George-Felix
2006-02-02 19:17:25

Re: ultimele evolutii

La 2006-02-02 13:53:17, lucid a scris:


o multime de chestii tare frumoas. Ma grabesc sa adaug cateva:

A female Israel Defense Forces soldier caught two Palestinian youths carrying bombs at a checkpoint near the West Bank city of Nablus on Thursday afternoon.

The Military Police soldier found 11 pipe bombs on the two youths at they attempted to cross through the Hawara checkpoint.

In the Gaza Strip, two Palestinians were wounded Thursday when they apparently attempted to fire Qassam rockets into Israel.
Islamic Jihad maintained the two were wounded by IDF gunfire, but the army denied such an incident took place.

Palestinian sources believe the two were wounded when the rockets exploded before they managed to launch them.

Since Wednesday night, Palestinians in the Gaza Strip fired three Qassams across the border into the western Negev. There were no casualties and no damage was caused.

On Thursday morning, Palestinians fired a Qassam rocket that landed adjacent to a factory south of Ashkelon. Another rocket hit in open area near Zikim.


Felix







>A nu se citi decat de cei care judeca cu propriul creier still
>unwashed:
>- Evacuarea de la Amona, a declarat Olmert, inseamna ca a red line has
>been crossed. Spartul capetelor soldatilor nu mai este ideologie ci
>violenta de netolerat (citez tot din Olmert ca si ieri cu
>sentimentele si arestarile). Ce s-a vazut ieri seara la TV pare
>incredibil, sarje inclusiv calare impotriva unor
>"prastieri" suiti pe acoperisuri care dadeau cu pietre ca
>intr-o autentica intifada. Este primul test major al lui Olmert si,
>ascultand incredibilele blesteme cu care era blagoslovit de
>colonisti, asta arata ca omul e decis sa mearga spre pacea adevarata
>in zona.
>- Oficialitati americane "sfatuiesc" autoritatile israeliene
>sa ramburseze ca si pana acum taxele de import-export cuvenite
>palestinienilor pentru a nu slabi si mai mult pozitia lui Abu Mazen.
>- Autoritatile israeliene au redus de la 8-10 luni la doar 60 de zile
>timpul de asteptare al sotiilor palestiniene din afara Israelului
>dupa casatoria cu arabi israelieni pentru a se putea instala
>definitiv impreuna cu sotzul.
>- Doamna Livni, aici avea dreptate roy ca e un politician de viitor, a
>declarat ca nu trebuie sa se permita Hamasului "sa puna
>mana" pe viitorul guvern palestinian. Deci acord indirect pentru
>guvern de tehnicieni.
>Toate semne ca negocierile secrete merg cel putin acceptabil, ca
>Olmert si Kadyma merg ferm pe drumul deschis in ultimul an de Sharon
>(chiar daca acesta nu a mai fost pus pe listele de candidati pentru
>Knesseth) si ca liderii Hamas sunt suficient de realisti cu privire
>la viitorul palestinienilor.
>Nu pot totusi sa nu remarc ca "echipa de zgomote" de pe
>acest site situata in afara Israelului (forumistii din Israel sunt de
>cu totul alta calitate intelectuala decat copy-paste-tatorii de texte
>culese de aiurea) nu a suflat o vorba pana acum despre evenimentul de
>"separare a apelor" de la Amona, nu se potrivea cu
>rudimentara lor propaganda.
>In fond diferenta dintre "echipa de zgomote" de pe aici si
>cei care cunosc cu adevarat problemele din zona este cea dintre ura
>si sete de sange si pace cu dreptul fiecaruia de a trai asa cum vrea,
>lasandu-l si pe vecin sa faca la fel.
>

Alex2003
2006-02-02 19:01:00

Re: Victoria cui!?...ha,ha,ha....

La 2006-02-02 10:35:21, Pinkie a scris:

>
>
>
>
> Asha vi s-a predat voua la Baneasa f f bey ???
> Am vazut la TV un jurnalist/director de publicatie
> irakian disident fatza de Saddam & fatza de americani.
>
> Americanii au vrut sa-l faca ministru, cind a refuzat
> l-au bagat la inchisoare 5 1/2 luni fara sa fie vinovat
> de nimic (remember Ana Pauker & Dej ?)
>
> Sunt 82.000 de irakieni inchisi de americani,
> la Fallujah americanii nu-si lasa NICI PROPRII JURNALISTI

> sa intre ca sa nu se vada CA AU RAS 6.000. DE CASE(!!!!),
> 80% din iralieni vor sa-si vada plecati !
>
> Asta e realitatea dragutule.
>
>
>
> Asta spunea bietul om venit de la fazta locului,
> si cite o sa mai aflam DUPA CE PLEACA AMERICANII DE ACOLO !!!
>
>
> La 2006-02-02 07:04:19, GiulestiWarrior a scris:
>
> > Greseala? Irakienii au votat in alegeri libere, armata irakiana
> > participa din ce in ce mai agresiv in operatiunile antiteroriste, iar
> > triburile sunnite din provincia Anbar au intors armele contra
> > al-Qaedei. Dinarul Irakian este stabil, iar exporturile irakiene de
> > petrol au ajuns la acelasi nivel ca inaintea eliberarii Irakului
> >
> >
> > La 2006-02-01 23:23:30, Zen a scris:
> >
> > > Din greseala in greseala SUA raman in Irak pana la victoria finala...
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
Citi Americani au murit , si citi au fost dati disparuti sau fugiti ???? Sa fuga unde ? E vorba de zeci de mii.......

Mos Grigore
2006-02-02 18:34:38

Re: OOOOOOPS

La 2006-02-02 17:53:48, spooky a scris:

>La 2006-02-02 17:49:16, Mos Grigore a scris:
>
>DAR DVS. AVETI IDEI PROPRII?
======================================================

AM, da' nu pot sa dovedesc ca nu trec de CENZURA! Copiii aia ma dusmanesc in proportie de 90% la vremea cind se schimba editia si 70% la vremea asta.
>

Radu Dragan
2006-02-02 18:22:47

Re: OOOOOOPS pooops!

Intrebarea dumneavostra vine din necunostere, desigur, dar si din aroganta care spune ca dumneavostra stiti multe! Intrebarea a venit dintr-o minte care lucreaza, functioneaza,
in felul ei!
E mare setea de cunostere, nu-i asa?
S-auzim numai de bine!

La 2006-02-02 17:53:48, spooky a scris:

> La 2006-02-02 17:49:16, Mos Grigore a scris:
>
> DAR DVS. AVETI IDEI PROPRII?
>
>

spooky
2006-02-02 17:53:48

Re: OOOOOOPS

La 2006-02-02 17:49:16, Mos Grigore a scris:

DAR DVS. AVETI IDEI PROPRII?

Mos Grigore
2006-02-02 17:49:16

OOOOOOPS

French Editor Fired Over Muhammad Drawings


By ANGELA CHARLTON, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 38 minutes ago



The managing editor of a French newspaper was fired after it republished caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad that sparked fresh anger among Muslims, employees at the paper said Thursday.

The drawings, which first ran in a Danish paper in September, were reprinted Wednesday in France Soir and several other European papers rallying to defend freedom of expression.

The managing editor of France Soir, Jacques Lefranc, was fired after the publication by owner Raymond Lakah, an Egyptian magnate, employees said. No official reason was immediately announced.

Islamic tradition bars any depiction of the prophet to prevent idolatry. The drawings have prompted boycotts of Danish goods and bomb threats and demonstrations against Danish facilities, and have divided opinion within Europe and the Middle East.

The cartoons include an image of Muhammad wearing a turban shaped as a bomb with a burning fuse, and another portraying him holding a sword, his eyes covered by a black rectangle.

Angered by the drawings, Palestinian gunmen jumped on the outer wall of a European Union office in Gaza City on Thursday and demanded an apology. Masked gunmen also briefly took over an EU office in Gaza on Monday.

Syria has called for those behind publishing the cartoons to be punished. Danish goods were swept from shelves in many countries, and Saudi Arabia and Libya recalled their ambassadors to Denmark.

The front page of France Soir on Wednesday carried the headline "Yes, We Have the Right to Caricature God" and a cartoon of Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim and Christian gods floating on a cloud.

Germany's Die Welt daily printed one of the drawings on its front page, arguing that a "right to blasphemy" was anchored in democratic freedoms. The Berliner Zeitung daily printed two of the caricatures as part of its coverage of the controversy.

Italy's La Stampa printed a small version of the offending caricature, on page 13. Two Spanish papers, Barcelona's El Periodico and Madrid's El Mundo, also carried the photos.

The publication by French Soir drew a stern reaction from the French Foreign Ministry. While it said that freedom of expression is dear to France, the ministry "condemns all that hurts individuals in their beliefs or their religious convictions."

The issue is sensitive in France, home to Western Europe's largest Muslim community with an estimated 5 million people.

Mohammed Bechari, president of the National Federation of the Muslims of France, said his group would start legal proceedings against France Soir because of "these pictures that have disturbed us, and that are still hurting the feelings of 1.2 billion Muslims."

Obi One
2006-02-02 16:39:19

Despre Democratia a la Bush

Not surprisingly, practically the first statement in this speech is September 11th, 2001. Despite this outrage against humanity, there is no mention of the thousands of innocent civilians in other countries murdered by the armed forces of which George Bush is Commander-in-Chief, no mention of the targeting of civilian infra-structures with his military hardware, no mention of the widespread practice of torture, the concentration camps, the disrespect for international law.

Instead, what we get from George Bush is absurd, puerile statements such as: "At the start of 2006, more than half the people of our world live in democratic nations. And we do not forget the other half - in places like Syria, Burma, Zimbabwe, North Korea and Iran..."

For the information of Mr. Bush "places like" Iran do not set up concentration camps in foreign lands, "places like" North Korea do not invade sovereign nations outside the auspices of international law, "places like" Syria do not use weapons of mass destruction against civilians, "places like" Zimbabwe do not lie at the UNO and "places like" Burma (Myanmar Republic for those who know what they're talking about) do not invade their neighbours, wire up people's testicles with electrodes, sodomise prisoners and set dogs on them.

If this is spreading freedom and democracy to protect the good people of the United States who voted for such practices, then the Bush regime has created a chasm between its people and the rest of the world, and let us describe this policy accurately, for what it is: it is a unilateral policy of aggression which purports to set the United States of America above the rest of the international community in a position where Washington does what it likes, when it likes and as it likes, syphoning off or controlling the resources of the international community for its own benefit.

G.B.
2006-02-02 14:55:35

Si care-i aia?

Ce inseamna victoria finala in cazu' asta? Defilari ale irakienilor (catzi or mai ramane) cu portretele lu' bush si strigand "God bless America!" ? Eliberarea irakienilor de sub povara petrolului?

Pinkie
2006-02-02 14:48:57

Re: ultimele evolutii




Mai ce-ti mai plac listele....

Adaug-o & pe asta:

http://www.lemonde.fr/web/depeches/0,14-0,39-26541471@7-37,0.html




La 2006-02-02 13:53:17, lucid a scris:

>A nu se citi decat de cei care judeca cu propriul creier still
>unwashed:
>- Evacuarea de la Amona, a declarat Olmert, inseamna ca a red line has
>been crossed. Spartul capetelor soldatilor nu mai este ideologie ci
>violenta de netolerat (citez tot din Olmert ca si ieri cu
>sentimentele si arestarile). Ce s-a vazut ieri seara la TV pare
>incredibil, sarje inclusiv calare impotriva unor
>"prastieri" suiti pe acoperisuri care dadeau cu pietre ca
>intr-o autentica intifada. Este primul test major al lui Olmert si,
>ascultand incredibilele blesteme cu care era blagoslovit de
>colonisti, asta arata ca omul e decis sa mearga spre pacea adevarata
>in zona.
>- Oficialitati americane "sfatuiesc" autoritatile israeliene
>sa ramburseze ca si pana acum taxele de import-export cuvenite
>palestinienilor pentru a nu slabi si mai mult pozitia lui Abu Mazen.
>- Autoritatile israeliene au redus de la 8-10 luni la doar 60 de zile
>timpul de asteptare al sotiilor palestiniene din afara Israelului
>dupa casatoria cu arabi israelieni pentru a se putea instala
>definitiv impreuna cu sotzul.
>- Doamna Livni, aici avea dreptate roy ca e un politician de viitor, a
>declarat ca nu trebuie sa se permita Hamasului "sa puna
>mana" pe viitorul guvern palestinian. Deci acord indirect pentru
>guvern de tehnicieni.
>Toate semne ca negocierile secrete merg cel putin acceptabil, ca
>Olmert si Kadyma merg ferm pe drumul deschis in ultimul an de Sharon
>(chiar daca acesta nu a mai fost pus pe listele de candidati pentru
>Knesseth) si ca liderii Hamas sunt suficient de realisti cu privire
>la viitorul palestinienilor.
>Nu pot totusi sa nu remarc ca "echipa de zgomote" de pe
>acest site situata in afara Israelului (forumistii din Israel sunt de
>cu totul alta calitate intelectuala decat copy-paste-tatorii de texte
>culese de aiurea) nu a suflat o vorba pana acum despre evenimentul de
>"separare a apelor" de la Amona, nu se potrivea cu
>rudimentara lor propaganda.
>In fond diferenta dintre "echipa de zgomote" de pe aici si
>cei care cunosc cu adevarat problemele din zona este cea dintre ura
>si sete de sange si pace cu dreptul fiecaruia de a trai asa cum vrea,
>lasandu-l si pe vecin sa faca la fel.
>

Pinkie
2006-02-02 14:05:45

Re: :-)))





Iti apreciez simtul umorului, am rs un pic,
dar asta nu schimba cu nimic situatia.
Daca babani de la CIA spun: "noi am facut cutare si cutare"
asta nu e ca si cum ar spune-o unul de pe strada.

Scrieti adevarul si numai adevarul daca
vreti sa va obtineti respectul oamenilor si sa va
refaceti tirajul, daca nu , pa,pa, pe ziare.com
avem 300 de ziare de citit !

Deja Vadim scrie ca Gndul e aproape falit
sa n-o luati si voi pe calea asta !

Noroc !





La 2006-02-02 13:54:27, George-Felix a scris:

>La 2006-02-02 13:39:28, Pinkie a scris:
>
>>
>>Nu mai vindeti gogosi oamenilor cu vrajeli likudiste,
>>nu suntem toti prosti.
>>
>>Probabil esti jurnalist la Ziua,
>
>
> Da mai, am mai marturisit odata. Mama e agent Mossad, tata e in
>Shin Beth, eu lucrez la Ziua pe post de "ureche deschisa"
>ca sa descopar dusmanii SUA (sunt de fapt platit de CIA prin
>intermediu Mossad, dar numai eu stiu ca banii vin de la KGB care e
>indirect finantat de BKA, ma rog, in afara e mine mai stiu si niste
>fosti directori CIA si cateva surse care vor sa isi pastreze
>anonimatul)
> In munca mea sunt ajutat de un var de la SRI care e frate cu un
>unchi al meu de la Ziua.., si asa am ajuns sa am acest job tare bine
>platit.
>
> Si sa nu uit, tata e evreu, mama e iranianca, am o sora in state
>si un frate agent francez in Algeria, precum si un unchi a carui
>identitate nu o voi dezvalui niciodata, desi acei fosti directori CIA
>de care spuneam o stiu deja (identitatea bre':))
>
>
> Felix
>
> P.S. Si sa nu uit, pe astia din Likud i-am pacalit, ca ei nu stiu
>ca sunt omul platit al Kadimei, si nici Kadima nu stie ca de fapt ma
>plateste si Partidul Muncii, iar ce nu stie PM-ul nu va spun nici
>voua, ca sa va fac in ciuda:)) Da fostii sefi ai CIA stiu cu totii si
>o sa scrie mai incolo o carte pe tema asta, carte care ne va fi
>semnalata cu bunavointa de tine:))
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

George-Felix
2006-02-02 13:54:27

Re: Felix,

La 2006-02-02 13:39:28, Pinkie a scris:

>
>Nu mai vindeti gogosi oamenilor cu vrajeli likudiste,
>nu suntem toti prosti.
>
>Probabil esti jurnalist la Ziua,


Da mai, am mai marturisit odata. Mama e agent Mossad, tata e in Shin Beth, eu lucrez la Ziua pe post de "ureche deschisa" ca sa descopar dusmanii SUA (sunt de fapt platit de CIA prin intermediu Mossad, dar numai eu stiu ca banii vin de la KGB care e indirect finantat de BKA, ma rog, in afara e mine mai stiu si niste fosti directori CIA si cateva surse care vor sa isi pastreze anonimatul)
In munca mea sunt ajutat de un var de la SRI care e frate cu un unchi al meu de la Ziua.., si asa am ajuns sa am acest job tare bine platit.

Si sa nu uit, tata e evreu, mama e iranianca, am o sora in state si un frate agent francez in Algeria, precum si un unchi a carui identitate nu o voi dezvalui niciodata, desi acei fosti directori CIA de care spuneam o stiu deja (identitatea bre':))


Felix

P.S. Si sa nu uit, pe astia din Likud i-am pacalit, ca ei nu stiu ca sunt omul platit al Kadimei, si nici Kadima nu stie ca de fapt ma plateste si Partidul Muncii, iar ce nu stie PM-ul nu va spun nici voua, ca sa va fac in ciuda:)) Da fostii sefi ai CIA stiu cu totii si o sa scrie mai incolo o carte pe tema asta, carte care ne va fi semnalata cu bunavointa de tine:))





lucid
2006-02-02 13:53:17

ultimele evolutii

A nu se citi decat de cei care judeca cu propriul creier still unwashed:
- Evacuarea de la Amona, a declarat Olmert, inseamna ca a red line has been crossed. Spartul capetelor soldatilor nu mai este ideologie ci violenta de netolerat (citez tot din Olmert ca si ieri cu sentimentele si arestarile). Ce s-a vazut ieri seara la TV pare incredibil, sarje inclusiv calare impotriva unor "prastieri" suiti pe acoperisuri care dadeau cu pietre ca intr-o autentica intifada. Este primul test major al lui Olmert si, ascultand incredibilele blesteme cu care era blagoslovit de colonisti, asta arata ca omul e decis sa mearga spre pacea adevarata in zona.
- Oficialitati americane "sfatuiesc" autoritatile israeliene sa ramburseze ca si pana acum taxele de import-export cuvenite palestinienilor pentru a nu slabi si mai mult pozitia lui Abu Mazen.
- Autoritatile israeliene au redus de la 8-10 luni la doar 60 de zile timpul de asteptare al sotiilor palestiniene din afara Israelului dupa casatoria cu arabi israelieni pentru a se putea instala definitiv impreuna cu sotzul.
- Doamna Livni, aici avea dreptate roy ca e un politician de viitor, a declarat ca nu trebuie sa se permita Hamasului "sa puna mana" pe viitorul guvern palestinian. Deci acord indirect pentru guvern de tehnicieni.
Toate semne ca negocierile secrete merg cel putin acceptabil, ca Olmert si Kadyma merg ferm pe drumul deschis in ultimul an de Sharon (chiar daca acesta nu a mai fost pus pe listele de candidati pentru Knesseth) si ca liderii Hamas sunt suficient de realisti cu privire la viitorul palestinienilor.
Nu pot totusi sa nu remarc ca "echipa de zgomote" de pe acest site situata in afara Israelului (forumistii din Israel sunt de cu totul alta calitate intelectuala decat copy-paste-tatorii de texte culese de aiurea) nu a suflat o vorba pana acum despre evenimentul de "separare a apelor" de la Amona, nu se potrivea cu rudimentara lor propaganda.
In fond diferenta dintre "echipa de zgomote" de pe aici si cei care cunosc cu adevarat problemele din zona este cea dintre ura si sete de sange si pace cu dreptul fiecaruia de a trai asa cum vrea, lasandu-l si pe vecin sa faca la fel.

spooky
2006-02-02 13:50:12

MULTUMESCU-TI TIE CALATOR ai dreptate.



Pinkie
2006-02-02 13:39:28

Re: Felix,





Daca ai ct de ct pretentii intelectuale ar tb sa te abtii
de a exprima o opinie nainte de a vedea /auzi materialul.

E un documentar extrem de serios, un fel de istorie a CIA,
unde se exprima toti fostii sefi a-i CIA si aproape in exclusivitate
agenti CIA.
W Karel da pe banda cte TREI SURSE din interior
pt fiecare subiect.

Nu mai vindeti gogosi oamenilor cu vrajeli likudiste,
nu suntem toti prosti.

Probabil esti jurnalist la Ziua,
unde nu de mult Dan Pavel scria niste enormitati
stupefiante, acu' el s-a dat la fund,
dar continua altii. Vedeti ca in top 10 pe ziare.com
ati ajuns la coada, aproape apara din lista.
Chiar aici pe forum cenzura ideologica e la ea acasa.

Pacat.



La 2006-02-02 13:28:22, George-Felix a scris:

>La 2006-02-02 13:15:02, Pinkie a scris:
>
>>
>> Cauta "CIA -razboaie secrete " de William Karel -DVD
>>la librarii daca esti in vest,
>>daca nu, cauta filmul pe Kazaa , EMule, alte situri de peer to peer.
>>Ai sa vezi toate loviturile de stat aranjate de americani.
>>
>
> Pinkie, apreciez interesul tau pentru informarea ma si inteleg si
>rostul existentei filmelor, site-urilor samd de care spui. Totusi, sa
>stii ca, in opinia mea, ele nu indeplinesc criteriul de exactitate pe
>care il cer de la o sursa. In general, din motive poate psihologice,
>sunt ostil teoriilor conspirationiste, desi, repet, le inteleg
>rostul.
>
> Multumesc insa pentru intentie!
>
>
> Felix
>
>
>
>

calator
2006-02-02 13:34:06

Re:Spooky

La 2006-02-02 12:49:39, spooky a scris:


> Sahul avea de gand sa nationalizeze rezervele de petrol, dar a
> gandit-o prea tarziu! Americanii nu aveau interes sa ajunga Khomeini
> la putere, francezii i-au aranjat plecarea in Iran.Saddam a fost
> ulterior sustinut de americani impotriva lui Khomeini. Bin Laden
> finanta rezistenta afgana impotriva rusilor cu acordul tacit al CIA.

-----------------------------------
Sahul, cu "revolutia alba" a vrut sa modernizeze Iranul n marsh fortat.
Si-a atras opozitia traditionalistilor, Khomeini a devenit leader. Exilat multa vreme n Irak, a fost dat afara de Sadam si a reusit sa obtina n 1978 un statut de refugiat politic n Franta.
A plecat spre Iran n februarie 1979, DUPA CE A IZBUCNIT REVOLUTIA si sahul a fost nevoit sa plece.

Chestia cu "francezii i-au aranjat plecarea" face parte din legenda creata dupa ce Franta a refuzat sa se angajeze n Irak.
O alta fantezie de pe forum vroia ca Khomeini sa fi stat n Franta vreo zece ani...
Khomeini nu era arestat de francezi... Conform Conventiei de la Geneva, cel care obtine statutul de refugiat are, bine nteles, dreptul sa se ntoarca n tara lui.. Dar nu sa faca aller-retour, evident, n care caz...nu mai este refugiat politic.
Si nca un amanunt care scapa multora: faptul ca un stat acorda azil politic unui strain nu nsemneaza ca automat statul acela considera tara pe care a parasit-o refugiatul are un regim condamnabil...

Cteva informatii se gasesc la cunoscuta:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhollah_Khomeini
iar cine e pasionat de Iran si Khomeini sa citeasca o buna biografie..

George-Felix
2006-02-02 13:28:22

Re: Felix, despre lovitura de stat n Iran:

La 2006-02-02 13:15:02, Pinkie a scris:

>
> Cauta "CIA -razboaie secrete " de William Karel -DVD
>la librarii daca esti in vest,
>daca nu, cauta filmul pe Kazaa , EMule, alte situri de peer to peer.
>Ai sa vezi toate loviturile de stat aranjate de americani.
>

Pinkie, apreciez interesul tau pentru informarea ma si inteleg si rostul existentei filmelor, site-urilor samd de care spui. Totusi, sa stii ca, in opinia mea, ele nu indeplinesc criteriul de exactitate pe care il cer de la o sursa. In general, din motive poate psihologice, sunt ostil teoriilor conspirationiste, desi, repet, le inteleg rostul.

Multumesc insa pentru intentie!


Felix


Pinkie
2006-02-02 13:15:02

Felix, despre lovitura de stat n Iran:


Cauta "CIA -razboaie secrete " de William Karel -DVD
la librarii daca esti in vest,
daca nu, cauta filmul pe Kazaa , EMule, alte situri de peer to peer.
Ai sa vezi toate loviturile de stat aranjate de americani.




In mai 1963 Alain Dulles pune in miscare
operatiunea clandestina AJAX pt ca Mosadegh -prim min iranian-
nationalizeaza puturile de petrol.

British Petroleum pune presiunea pe Eisenhower
NU cu pierderea puturilor, ci cu sperietoarea ca
Iranul "trebuie salvat de la amenintarea comunista".

APOI US a "lasat din brate" si sahul
la venirea lui Khomeini.

Incearca sa vezi filmul nainte de a uda
batista pt americani.

PS : Damigeana, nu-ti pierde timpul,
nu-ti deschid productiile.

spooky
2006-02-02 12:49:39

Re: Felix, am vazut la TV m pe tema asta....

La 2006-02-02 12:34:14, Pinkie a scris:

Sahul avea de gand sa nationalizeze rezervele de petrol, dar a gandit-o prea tarziu! Americanii nu aveau interes sa ajunga Khomeini la putere, francezii i-au aranjat plecarea in Iran.Saddam a fost ulterior sustinut de americani impotriva lui Khomeini. Bin Laden finanta rezistenta afgana impotriva rusilor cu acordul tacit al CIA.

Pinkie
2006-02-02 12:34:14

Felix, am vazut la TV m pe tema asta....



din care am ntzeles ca rasturnarea sahului
a fost sprijinita de americani (CIA) pt ca el urma
sa ia niste masuri care nu le conveneau (cu petrolul).


Americanii l-au creat pe Khomeini, pe Saddam,
pe Ben Laden .

Nu de azi de ieri se baga ei ca musca acolo
unde stim noi ...:->>


spooky
2006-02-02 12:22:02

Re: apropos de Iran / ai carte, ai parte:

La 2006-02-02 11:50:34, Pinkie a scris:

>
>
>
>Ahmadi-Nejad e Prim Ministru , presedinte e ayatolahul Khamenei:
>
>http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ir.html
>
>Apropos, stii cumva cine a pus regimul islamic la putere ???
>Ca nainte aveau un rege.
>

ALI Khamenei este lider spiritual !!
In 1979 in februarie ayatolahul Khomeini venit de la Paris din exil rasturnind Sahul iranului

George-Felix
2006-02-02 12:11:55

Re: apropos de Iran / ai carte, ai parte:

La 2006-02-02 11:50:34, Pinkie a scris:

>
>
>
>Ahmadi-Nejad e Prim Ministru , presedinte e ayatolahul Khamenei:
>
>http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ir.html


Agentia iraniana de stiri IRNA il numeste pe Mahmoud Ahmadinejad presedite al Republicii Islamce a Iranului (vezi http://www.irna.ir/en/frontpage/menu-232/)

Iar pe site-ul de il citasi, zice ca seful statului este Ayatollahul si seful executivului este presedintele. Caraghios, da' presedintele lor e cam ca la americani, seful guvernului:))

>Apropos, stii cumva cine a pus regimul islamic la putere ???
>Ca nainte aveau un rege.

Care se numea Sah (ca si sportul cu cai si regne:)) - sau invers, sportul se numeste ca si regele Iranului:)
Cum de s-a ajuns la teocratie.., pai depinde ce site-uri urmaresti:)) Io stiu ca a fost o revolutie islamica triggerata de permisiunea acordata lui Khomeyini de a se intoarce in tara.., la aeroport a fost intampinat de juma de milion de oameni..,


Felix



>
>
>
>
>
>La 2006-02-02 11:27:05, George-Felix a scris:
>
>>
>>
>> Un articol meserias in Adevarul de azi:
>>
>>http://www.adevarulonline.ro/index.jsp?page=articol&article_id=173065
>>
>>
>> Felix
>>
>
>

Pinkie
2006-02-02 12:09:54

Despre conflictul cu Iranul .




http://www.voltairenet.org/article134908.html

Ziua, nu cenzurati pt ca nu e nimic extremist,
mai mult , substanta problemei a si fost publicata
chiar de voi !

Pinkie
2006-02-02 11:50:34

Re: apropos de Iran / ai carte, ai parte:




Ahmadi-Nejad e Prim Ministru , presedinte e ayatolahul Khamenei:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ir.html

Apropos, stii cumva cine a pus regimul islamic la putere ???
Ca nainte aveau un rege.






La 2006-02-02 11:27:05, George-Felix a scris:

>
>
> Un articol meserias in Adevarul de azi:
>
>http://www.adevarulonline.ro/index.jsp?page=articol&article_id=173065
>
>
> Felix
>

George-Felix
2006-02-02 11:27:05

apropos de Iran (ca tot zise Bush de ei ca asa si pe dincolo)



Un articol meserias in Adevarul de azi:

http://www.adevarulonline.ro/index.jsp?page=articol&article_id=173065


Felix

serios-glumetul
2006-02-02 11:13:41

Re: Bravo Gicutu! // Ehe he he he, buna intrebare, cum vor actiona chinejii cind le-o ajunje cutitul la os, ehe he!

La 2006-02-02 04:36:49, FB a scris:

>In sfarsit incet ,incet recunosti. Ce banuiam si noi. America depinde
>prea mult de petrol. Ca sa plecam ,mai vroia sa spuna.Si sa lasam
>fotoghinul talibanilor. Sau siitilor.Sau husseinilor.
>Plus ca avem concurenti ,China,India. Saracii nostri au frica . De
>chinezi.
>Noi astialanti,bogatii facem benevolat,nu cumva sa sufere si mai mult
>saracii. nostri.
>
>
>P.S. Istoria se repeta ca trasa la xerox. Acum 60 de ani ,alta tara
>asiatica ,Japonia in mare expansiune economica avea nevoie urgenta de
>petrol.
>Resusele de petrol ajunsesera sa expire in doua saptamani.
>Ei ,japonezii au muscat. Leul cel mare. La Pearl Harbour.
>Oare cum vor reactiona chinezii? Cand le va ajunge cutitul la os?
>
>
>
>

serios-glumetul
2006-02-02 11:01:12

Care victorie finala ce fel da victorie finala bre?

???bre?

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